Silvio Tattiescone Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 "portraying the enemy as vicious and repulsive creates feelings that make killing easier" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) On 9/28/2016 at 18:20, parsforlife said: Plenty of debate to be had over racism in the police but even leaving that aside alot of the videos coming out show some utterly terrible policing. Never seems to be any attempt to de - escalate the situation. Seems to be a policy of if at first you don't succeed be more aggressive. On 9/28/2016 at 18:52, Njord said: Not sure if serious.... Imagine you're a Yankee copper. You stop a car with one person in it, what is it? 40/60 they are carrying a gun. Stop a car with a black dood and its above 50/50. Of course the cop is gonna be trigger happy. One of the scary things in the Clinton/Trump bunfight, was there has been 4,000 folk shot in Chicago this year. I doubt all 4,000 were drivers and that the pigs were to blame... Agree with Parsforlife here, i think one of the biggest problems is poorly trained trigger happy police. I think the worst example of trigger happy police was the shooting of 12 year old Tamir Rice, im not gonna link the video cause its horrible. But 911 was called due to people seeing a kid running about a park with what they believed was a real gun. It was actually a BB gun but with the coloured muzzle piece that is required to identify them as toys. Now the officers involved claim they had repeatedly shouted on the kid to drop the gun but that he refused to listen. Firstly i find that hard to believe, if the police had explained the situation to him ive no doubt the kid would explain that he had a BB Gun, not a real gun. So rather than take cover and talk the kid into dropping the gun, try to learn his name, call his parents or just about anything else a normal human being would do they just rolled up in the car about 6 feet from him and immediately shot him repeatedly and the kid died. The officer claimed he shot because the kid raised the weapon at him, but the video doesn't show that at all, the officer was immediately out the car and firing before anything could be established. Its sickening. No indictment of either officer, both of which from what ive read were not fit to do the job. Taken from Wikipedia: Timothy Loehmann Loehmann, the man who fired the shots that killed Rice, joined Cleveland's police force in March 2014. In 2012, he had spent five months with the police department in Independence, about 13 miles (21 km) south of Cleveland, with four of those months spent in the police academy. In a memo to Independence's human resources manager, released by the city in the aftermath of the shooting, Independence deputy police chief Jim Polak wrote that Loehmann had resigned rather than face certain termination due to concerns that he lacked the emotional stability to be a police officer. Polak said that Loehmann was unable to follow "basic functions as instructed". He specifically cited a "dangerous loss of composure" that occurred in a weapons training exercise, during which Loehmann's weapons handling was "dismal" and he became visibly "distracted and weepy" as a result of relationship problems. The memo concluded, "Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions, I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies." It was subsequently revealed that Cleveland police officials never reviewed Loehmann's personnel file from Independence prior to hiring him. Frank Garmback Garmback, who was driving the police cruiser, has been a police officer in Cleveland since 2008. In 2014, the City of Cleveland paid US$100,000 to settle an excessive force lawsuit brought against him by a local woman; according to her lawsuit, Garmback "rushed and placed her in a chokehold, tackled her to the ground, twisted her wrist and began hitting her body" and "such reckless, wanton and willful excessive use of force proximately caused bodily injury". The woman had called the police to report a car blocking her driveway. The settlement does not appear in Garmback's personnel file. Edited September 30, 2016 by EdgarusQPFC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I don't think anyone other than a few extremists would claim that every single shooting of a black person is racist or unjustified, but it's funny how many people try to find an alternative explanation for literally every single case: "They were poorly trained." "They were clearly just incompetent." "They weren't emotionally stable enough to be a police officer." Well, thank God that none of these poorly vetted, poorly trained, unintelligent, psychotic coppers definitely weren't racist, otherwise we could really be in trouble Realistically, it would be surprising if there wasn't widespread racism in the country at large. Millions of Americans grew up in an era of racial segregation. In 2009 a f*cking judge in Louisiana was in the news for refusing to marry mixed race couples. I've been on a night out in Michigan where, in a group of 10 of us (6 girls, 4 guys) where everyone was black or mixed race, we were turned away from a club because they "wanted to ensure a good mix of clientele." Fundamentally, folk like Banana don't believe that things like racism or sexism exist, so pointing out any examples, no matter how egregious, is a waste of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 19 minutes ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said: I don't think anyone other than a few extremists would claim that every single shooting of a black person is racist or unjustified, but it's funny how many people try to find an alternative explanation for literally every single case: "They were poorly trained." "They were clearly just incompetent." "They weren't emotionally stable enough to be a police officer." Well, thank God that none of these poorly vetted, poorly trained, unintelligent, psychotic coppers definitely weren't racist, otherwise we could really be in trouble Realistically, it would be surprising if there wasn't widespread racism in the country at large. Millions of Americans grew up in an era of racial segregation. In 2009 a f*cking judge in Louisiana was in the news for refusing to marry mixed race couples. I've been on a night out in Michigan where, in a group of 10 of us (6 girls, 4 guys) where everyone was black or mixed race, we were turned away from a club because they "wanted to ensure a good mix of clientele." Fundamentally, folk like Banana don't believe that things like racism or sexism exist, so pointing out any examples, no matter how egregious, is a waste of time. You know, they can be poorly trained and racist. But i highly doubt racism was the leading factor in the shooting i mentioned above. If anything i'd say both are factors in the majority of unjustified shootings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-weekend-shootings-violence-20161031-story.html 17 shot dead in Chicago over the weekend. That's 614 this year so far. Just as well the Cubs are doing okay I suppose otherwise it could've been worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I've watched Police Academy up until 3,then gave the rest a miss, As I'd learnt enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 On 9/30/2016 at 21:13, Rugster said: Yeah, you're right, he should be out hunting for the killer. In the context of a forum thread on the topic, bizarre that showing empathy towards a shot and killed six-year old is such an extreme, taboo position. 1 hour ago, Njord said: 17 shot dead in Chicago over the weekend. That's 614 this year so far. Shot by white folk dressed in Halloween costumes, imo, period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 If only the police had guns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 New Orleans shooting on Bourbon Street leaves one dead and nine injured. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38123165 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 At least they haven't just appointed a pro-gun maniac as President. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Four cops shot in a day - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38053998 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 9/30/2016 at 10:09, EdgarusQPFC said: Agree with Parsforlife here, i think one of the biggest problems is poorly trained trigger happy police. I think the worst example of trigger happy police was the shooting of 12 year old Tamir Rice, im not gonna link the video cause its horrible. But 911 was called due to people seeing a kid running about a park with what they believed was a real gun. It was actually a BB gun but with the coloured muzzle piece that is required to identify them as toys. Now the officers involved claim they had repeatedly shouted on the kid to drop the gun but that he refused to listen. Firstly i find that hard to believe, if the police had explained the situation to him ive no doubt the kid would explain that he had a BB Gun, not a real gun. So rather than take cover and talk the kid into dropping the gun, try to learn his name, call his parents or just about anything else a normal human being would do they just rolled up in the car about 6 feet from him and immediately shot him repeatedly and the kid died. The officer claimed he shot because the kid raised the weapon at him, but the video doesn't show that at all, the officer was immediately out the car and firing before anything could be established. Its sickening. I remember talking about this case with my family over Thanksgiving a year ago. I said that he wouldn't have been shot if he was white and that the cop should probably do time. I mentioned how my friends and I were running through our neighborhood with BB guns nearly every day as a child and no cop would have thought twice. At this point I'd only heard the media narrative that a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun had been shot and that the 911 caller had said the gun looked like a toy. Here's what was not widely reported. The 12 year old boy was 5 ft 7 inches and 195 pounds. The cops dispatched were not told that the 911 caller had said the gun looked like a toy. They were under the impression that they were responding to an adult waving a gun on a playground. The cop driving the car drove up too close (within a couple feet) to Mr. Rice. His partner jumped out of the car and found himself standing right beside someone with a gun. Proper procedure would have been to pull up farther away and engage the suspect. Instead the cop had to make a split second decision because of an unfortunate string of errors for which he bore no responsibility. And it's important to remember that the cop was responding to a neighborhood that's one of the most violent non-war zones in the world and a place full of people who consider police officers to be their enemy. Now, I agree that this guy probably shouldn't be on the police force given what happened, but it's a stretch to call him a criminal. And to a wider point, if you look a little beyond the typical media narrative in these cases there's often a reason why the people (prosecutors, grand juries, or juries depending on how far the case gets) who spend days and days going over the evidence choose not to send a man to jail. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 9/28/2016 at 10:52, Njord said: Imagine you're a Yankee copper. You stop a car with one person in it, what is it? 40/60 they are carrying a gun. Stop a car with a black dood and its above 50/50. Of course the cop is gonna be trigger happy. 1. Black people are far, far less likely to own guns and to carry guns in their car when compared to white people. 2. There's no way it's anywhere close to 40% of people carrying guns in their car. I think it's really only around 40% that own guns. If I had to guess based on personal experience, the % of people carrying a gun in their car at a given time is probably around 5%-15% depending on where you live. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 New Orleans shooting on Bourbon Street leaves one dead and nine injured.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38123165 That takes the biscuit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Just now, Alert Mongoose said: That takes the biscuit. That's not a Nice thing to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Appears to be something occurring at a University in Ohio. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 17 hours ago, Alert Mongoose said: That takes the biscuit. 17 hours ago, NewBornBairn said: That's not a Nice thing to say. I'll have to digest those two posts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 17 hours ago, Alert Mongoose said: That takes the biscuit. 17 hours ago, NewBornBairn said: That's not a Nice thing to say. 10 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: I'll have to digest those two posts. Trio of related posts there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, Boghead ranter said: Trio of related posts there. I can see these sort of posts yo-yoing back and forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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