Yet another US shooting

[Zetterlund]

2 hours ago, TxRover said:

Poor context, they unloaded 50 rounds and hit him with 9, 18% hit rate would NOT a pass the mission in GTA: ‘Murica (TM, coming in mid-2023)

The cops have gone through extensive re-training to ensure they fire a minimum of 100 rounds before asking questions next time.

[TxRover]

21 hours ago, Zetterlund said:

The cops have gone through extensive re-training to ensure they fire a minimum of 100 rounds before asking questions kill the mental health crisis individual next time.

 

[Guest]

Not to do with a shooting but funny so I'm sharing anyway.

[BillyAnchor]

Colorado teachers and students to be trained in treating gunshot wounds. 

 

https://kdvr.com/news/local/stop-the-bleed-kit-training-schools-colorado/#:~:text=Now%2C Colorado is going to,training materials from the state.&text=State Rep. Mary Young%2C D,bill and a school psychologist. 

[TxRover]

41 minutes ago, BillyAnchor said:

Colorado teachers and students to be trained in treating gunshot wounds. 

 

https://kdvr.com/news/local/stop-the-bleed-kit-training-schools-colorado/#:~:text=Now%2C Colorado is going to,training materials from the state.&text=State Rep. Mary Young%2C D,bill and a school psychologist. 

The unfortunate thing is the sheer absurdity of needing this will be right over the heads of the ammu-sexuals. While we can hope that kids telling mom and dad that they learnt how to bandage gunshot wounds in school today will cause some movement on this problem, having their kids be taught how to hide from shooters didn’t make any impact before.

[TxRover]

This is a clear explanation of some of the problems common sense has in the gun debate:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/05/15/mass-shooting-gun-tracing-atf-contd-orig-dp-mg.cnn

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

On 09/05/2023 at 13:34, TxRover said:

Of more interest, at least from an abandon all hope point of view, is the number of people in the thread trying to divert, obsfucate or mislead from some pretty basic facts that aren’t in question. Given, in the U.S., Hispanic is NOT a racial designation, but a sub-type of “White”, the number of people arguing the shooter couldn’t be a white power fanboy is mindblowing…not to mention the fact that you don’t have to be “White” to hold such beliefs. I guess they missed the fact that one of the Proud Boys leaders is Hispanic too.

If you look at the power base of the far right in Florida as an example, yes you have the old fashioned kkk types, but as you point out there are the proud boys and even their far right mainstream politicians like De Santis follow a trend of Italian descent and Rubio the Cuban american conservatives, far right politics isnt just white northern european, but what you increasingly see in right wing politics is these groups coming together and this results in things like the freedom caucus in the states. Over here id argue that the same is happening within the conservative party. 

[TxRover]

3 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

If you look at the power base of the far right in Florida as an example, yes you have the old fashioned kkk types, but as you point out there are the proud boys and even their far right mainstream politicians like De Santis follow a trend of Italian descent and Rubio the Cuban american conservatives, far right politics isnt just white northern european, but what you increasingly see in right wing politics is these groups coming together and this results in things like the freedom caucus in the states. Over here id argue that the same is happening within the conservative party. 

To an extent, it’s a case of “we’re running out of bodies, who can we recruit”. The addition of some of the the “Mexicans”, as many traditional Southerners would say, is abhorrent to the KKK tradition, but takes a vibrant and increasing minority in the U.S. and co-opts them as co-conspirators. The antipathy often seen between the Hispanic and African-American communities is just a bonus. Note that the recruiting is focused on Cuban-Americans, some Mexican-Americans (generally the non-native, lighter skinned ones) and a few other lighter-skinned persons of Hispanic descent (Argentinian, Brazilian and such). The groups openly disparage the darker-skinned Hispanics.

[Jacksgranda]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65620377

Not a mass shooting as "only" 3 dead.

Plus the shooter, so maybe it is a mass shooting after all.

Edited May 17, 2023 by Jacksgranda

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65620377

Not a mass shooting as "only" 3 dead.

Plus the shooter, so maybe it is a mass shooting after all.

Depends..U.S. Congress uses 3 or more killed, not including the shooter…

Other sources use 4 or more, some allow inclusion of the shooter…

The loosest definition is 4 or more victim (not necessarily fatalities) by a shooter or shooters.

[MEADOWXI]

A couple of episodes into this about the Las Vegas mass shooting, largest in US history (60 killed and 400+ injured).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0fjgsps/11-minutes-americas-deadliest-mass-shooting-series-1-episode-1

Worth a watch and just insane that something like this could happen and all they did was ban 'bump stocks' which allow automatic fire, this just reducing the speed he was killing people. There is truly no hope for gun control in the US if these things are acceptable.

Edited May 19, 2023 by MEADOWXI

[TxRover]

Let me enlighten a bit. I stopped by a gun show in Fort Worth today...1200 tables selling pistols, rifles, shotguns, knifes, foodstuffs, ammunition, sights. teeshirts and accessories.

Here's the panoramic view when you walk in:

Here's just one vendor with a selection of semiautomatic pistols...there are around 15-20 vendors like this with a large range of pistols, revolvers, etc:

Here's a trolly a gentleman was pullin behind him for his supplies:

And finally, this gentleman was selling his weapons:

 

So, some data:

-The guy with the weapons for sale can sell them to anyone without any kind of checks. Private sales aren't covered by any background check requirement.

-All the vendors selling firearms have to be FFL's (Federal Firearms Licensees), and have to conduct background checks. However, a holder of a valid LTC (Texas, or another state with reciprocal Licence To Carry) or CHL (another state with a reciprocal agreement with Texas) can bypass the wait.

-No background check to buy as much ammo as you desire, and no checks to purchase everything but the serialized portion of any weapon (in the U.S., one component of a gun is mandatorially serialized and controlled, the rest is free...for instance, on an AR-15, only the lower receiver is a controlled item. The lower receiver is the portion of the gun that mounts the trigger and the magazine well...and is one of about 120 parts that are used to make an AR-15).

-Entering the show, all weapons are inspected and have a ziptie installed to prevent the operation of the weapon...its a pretty weak deterent.

 

[BigBo10]

On 19/05/2023 at 12:59, MEADOWXI said:

A couple of episodes into this about the Las Vegas mass shooting, largest in US history (60 killed and 400+ injured).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0fjgsps/11-minutes-americas-deadliest-mass-shooting-series-1-episode-1

Worth a watch and just insane that something like this could happen and all they did was ban 'bump stocks' which allow automatic fire, this just reducing the speed he was killing people. There is truly no hope for gun control in the US if these things are acceptable.

Watched this as well. Episode three and the head police guy says with no sense of irony “Why would anyone need all these guns?” When civilians ask that it’s usually enough to start an insurgency. 

[Molotov]

@TxRover were you not taking a risk photographing these mad cnuts?

It is absolutely incredible that country has not had a full blown civil war during the last ten years.

 

[TxRover]

10 minutes ago, Molotov said:

@TxRover were you not taking a risk photographing these mad cnuts?

It is absolutely incredible that country has not had a full blown civil war during the last ten years.

 

Nah, it’s not that worrisome, most are too busy fondling their metal penises.

[peasy23]

https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1661354794668154882?t=vmuI5sO1R8yUv3dgix64xw&s=19

 

 

[101]

On 21/05/2023 at 20:39, TxRover said:

Let me enlighten a bit. I stopped by a gun show in Fort Worth today...1200 tables selling pistols, rifles, shotguns, knifes, foodstuffs, ammunition, sights. teeshirts and accessories.

Here's the panoramic view when you walk in:

Here's just one vendor with a selection of semiautomatic pistols...there are around 15-20 vendors like this with a large range of pistols, revolvers, etc:

Here's a trolly a gentleman was pullin behind him for his supplies:

And finally, this gentleman was selling his weapons:

 

So, some data:

-The guy with the weapons for sale can sell them to anyone without any kind of checks. Private sales aren't covered by any background check requirement.

-All the vendors selling firearms have to be FFL's (Federal Firearms Licensees), and have to conduct background checks. However, a holder of a valid LTC (Texas, or another state with reciprocal Licence To Carry) or CHL (another state with a reciprocal agreement with Texas) can bypass the wait.

-No background check to buy as much ammo as you desire, and no checks to purchase everything but the serialized portion of any weapon (in the U.S., one component of a gun is mandatorially serialized and controlled, the rest is free...for instance, on an AR-15, only the lower receiver is a controlled item. The lower receiver is the portion of the gun that mounts the trigger and the magazine well...and is one of about 120 parts that are used to make an AR-15).

-Entering the show, all weapons are inspected and have a ziptie installed to prevent the operation of the weapon...its a pretty weak deterent.

 

Having a nazi flag on display as soon as you walk in must really make you think about what kind of morons have access to such a large amounts of weapons.

[BFTD]

On 21/05/2023 at 20:47, Molotov said:

@TxRover were you not taking a risk photographing these mad cnuts?

It is absolutely incredible that country has not had a full blown civil war during the last ten years.

They send out Christmas cards of the whole family brandishing weaponry like most families brandish crackers and Santa hats.

They aren't going to care about anybody taking pictures of them with their supply of "tools". If anything, they'd be thrilled by the attention. There's nothing covert about any of this.

[TxRover]

6 hours ago, 101 said:

Having a nazi flag on display as soon as you walk in must really make you think about what kind of morons have access to such a large amounts of weapons.

The Nazi and German flags were on tables of curio dealers. They specialize in buying more than selling these events, as they know there are plenty of families who had grandpa Hank who brought home a lugar and some flags. That being  said, the neo-nazi contingent do shop at gun shows, but more so with the guys you see with weapons for sale privately. A pretty decent percentage of the white supremacist/neo-nazi crowd have criminal convictions that prevent them from legally owning firearms. As such, the private sellers at gun shows are popular sources for their weapons, because there are no background checks…in a similar manner, private sales via Craigslist and such are also popular with the skinheads.

[TxRover]

4 hours ago, BTFD said:

They send out Christmas cards of the whole family brandishing weaponry like most families brandish crackers and Santa hats.

They aren't going to care about anybody taking pictures of them with their supply of "tools". If anything, they'd be thrilled by the attention. There's nothing covert about any of this.

I’d say the gun show crowds break down about like this:

0-5% excited and barely legal (to buy guns, not drink) youth, skewed 90/10 male.

40-50% hunters.

20-30% recreational shooters.

10-20% adults who plan to or do carry a pistol/revolver and need a weapon, ammo, supplies, equipment.

5-10% adults looking for some item comarketed (knives, jerky, tools, collectibles, gold/silver)

0-5% felons looking to purchase weapons illegally.

0-5% gun owners looking to sell weapons privately.

0-5% people there to gawk at the show.

 

Here’s some numbers:

94,500 sq/ft of floor space available, cost to rent for the weekend show is around $15,000 to $20,000.

1,200 tables available for rental at the show, $90 per table…that’s $108,000 to the people putting on the show.

Admission to gun show, $10 (cash only)…that’s a pretty huge amount, I’d estimate attendance in the 2,000-4,000 paying customer range…call that another $20,000-$40,000. Kids under 12 and law officers are free, military are heavily discounted or free.

You have to hire security, staff to control entry/setup, and the tables, that’ll take a good little percentage of the money, but it’s still a money spinner.