Antlion Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, RedRob72 said: I've never once claimed to be a member of the Orange Order or an active supporter (including marches) yes I head over in July every year, attending the Antrim district walk, and visit on a number of other occasions throughout the year,I have done since I was a kid. The 12th is very much a time to get together with friends and family these days. It makes none of us religious bigots. You're very misguided. As for British Unionism, a United Kingdom of 4 fine nations, welcoming and embracing, and generally regarded worldwide as a tolerant and friendly society. A Union that is far removed from the far right of the British National Party for example., that was my point, the two are not the same in any way. It won't alter your own prejudices, but that's your issue pal. The decision to leave the EU still baffles me however. If you think the British nation is itself "a union of four fine nations", why are you content to see two of those fine nations decide what happens to the other two, and for the largest of those fine nations to elect the sovereign governments of all four? That doesn't seem a good or reasonable union, as a union should (to any reasonable person) require some kind of equality. You wouldn't accept the UK joining a union with other, larger nations that decide its foreign policy (by virtue of being bigger), so why is it not only alright, but crucial that Scotland be incorporated into another nation state? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Rob/wes boasted about playing drums in themarches , distancing himself from it now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses1924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think the term British unionist is fair enough to describe those who continue to support the union of Scotland / England / Wales / NI. It has some negarive conotations up here as it is geerallyassociated with a particular strand of politics in Northern Ireland but the term unionist to describe someone who supports a union seems reasonable. I would describe myself as a supporter of the union but not a British nationalist as given its association with the BNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, moses1924 said: I think the term British unionist is fair enough to describe those who continue to support the union of Scotland / England / Wales / NI. It has some negarive conotations up here as it is geerallyassociated with a particular strand of politics in Northern Ireland but the term unionist to describe someone who supports a union seems reasonable. I would describe myself as a supporter of the union but not a British nationalist as given its association with the BNP. But you support a nation, as the "union" that you support had one job, and it did it centuries ago: to create a single nation state. By any stretch of the imagination, you are a UK nationalist. You might have been a "unionist" in 1707, or even a unionist when the Conservatives fought for a "union between Great Britain and Ireland" (which is the explicit union referred to in "Conservative and Unionist Party"), but today, given the UK is a nation state (and no part of its full title even acknowledges the existence of Scotland, England or Wales as entities), you're a nationalist. Supporting the UK no more makes one a "unionist" than one would call a Texan a unionist for supporting the existence and continuation of the USA. We'd rightly call that Texan an American nationalist (though I suspect he'd prefer "American patriot" or some such). You might not express your nationalism in the same way as Nick Griffin, but then neither does every Scottish nationalist express theirs in the same way as Peter Dow. Edited October 28, 2016 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Rob/wes boasted about playing drums in themarches , distancing himself from it now. I recall I made a tongue in cheek comment, about heading off to 'band practice' some difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Unionism is nationalism they're the exact same thing it's important anyone discussing Scottish politics right now understands. Kezia dugdale like all unionists is by definition a British nationalist, so is jmo the weapon they're both just forms of nationalism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Unionism is nationalism they're the exact same thing it's important anyone discussing Scottish politics right now understands. Kezia dugdale like all unionists is by definition a British nationalist, so is jmo the weapon they're both just forms of nationalism. Why do you need to target a poster who isn't even involved in this conversation?Fuzzy gonna Fuzzy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Pointless post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Pointless post. It wasn't, actually.You take things way too far - and generally come across as a very angry man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Yeah if i was here to be judged on my personality or we were discussing me that wouldn't be another pointless post. Alas... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Pointless post. Aye you just keep swaggering around dishing out abuse and 'telts' nothing pointless there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Asking me why i made a post is pointless. Replying to someone's post isn't. I can post whatever i want within the rules, if you don't like it don't reply. Asking for explanations to my posts mistake pointless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said: Yeah if i was here to be judged on my personality or we were discussing me that wouldn't be another pointless post. Alas... I think your the most adept humblebrager and wee smelly tollie on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 But to get back to the thread. Ffs sober up, it's no gonny happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Ewan Mcgregor now supports Scottish independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Ewan Mcgregor now supports Scottish independence. He said the morning after the vote he did. What did he say about today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Obi-wan Kenobi knows the fucking score. ETA. Obviously not Alec Guinness, as he's dead. Edited October 31, 2016 by MONKMAN 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Ewan Mcgregor now supports Scottish independence. Ah! Master Phuqwwitt creams his pants over his young PadEWAN. The start of the rebellion against the evil empire? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Highlandmagyar said: Ah! Master Phuqwwitt creams his pants over his young PadEWAN. The start of the rebellion against the evil empire? Do you think something really bad will happen if you simply type "fuckwit", you fuckwit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 28/10/2016 at 08:40, Baxter Parp said: She told the truth and the outcome is the evidence. The UK government hasn't guaranteed the right to stay for EU nationals despite being asked to do so many times and they've started recording the nationalities of school pupils and company employees. In what way can an EU national feel safe in the UK post-Brexit? No she didn't 'tell the truth'. She attempted to use EU nationals rights to remain post secession as a bargaining chip to get a better deal from the EU. Exactly what May has been accused of. She could easily have said 'Regardless of our negotiations with the EU let me assure those EU nationals in Scotland that they will unquestionably have the legal rights to remain here and one of our first acts as a new government will be to enact that' Of course she didn't want to do that, and reassure those 160,000 people, because they were a handy card up the sleeve to use against the EU. This is actually sensible politics, although distressing for those people to have that uncertainty, but it's breathtaking hypocrisy even by SNP goon standards to see them attempt to take the moral high ground on this post Brexit, when Sturgeon did exactly the same if not worse, given May hasn't threatened EU residents with losing the right to stay, in 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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