dirty dingus Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 The problem now for better together is all there promises have been ripped apart, from the Vow, the equal partnership in the union, the EU membership, the navy boats...etc..etc..With all the media behind the Union to get 45% was pretty amazing especially when 51% of Scots voted Indy and now with the Europeans realising they were hoodwinked this will give the YES side a better starting point. The staunch anti EU nationalist need to be appeased by offering a new EU ref of full membership, EEa or out if Independence prevails. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I’d very much dispute “most” of the time. He can play with the big kids when he learns to act like the big kids. Until then he’s a nonentity. As for arguing with him, I’m not sure I want to feed his craving for a stranger’s attention (even discussing him at any length probably feeds this creepy need); his attitude (whether genuine or simply engineered to wind people up) is fixed; and whenever I’ve attempted to engage him in the past, he resorts to the same, smug old “you’re helping No”, “it’ll never happen”, “UK 4eva” shite. I refute ever being smug ! Also your idea of engagement seems to involve agreeing with your points. I have never ever posted "UK 4eva" or "Your wiv da angles" type patter it's not my style at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB 4.2 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: The problem now for better together is all there promises have been ripped apart, from the Vow, the equal partnership in the union, the EU membership, the navy boats...etc..etc..With all the media behind the Union to get 45% was pretty amazing especially when 51% of Scots voted Indy and now with the Europeans realising they were hoodwinked this will give the YES side a better starting point. The staunch anti EU nationalist need to be appeased by offering a new EU ref of full membership, EEa or out if Independence prevails. This normally returns a skewed argument the SNP overestimated the oil projections. Completely unaware that politicians don't forecast oil prices, they only report the findings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 It’s so easy to tell when he’s being serious though. The guy practically signposts when he’s taking the piss. Admitting that sometimes you just post shit for banter should hardly exclude from the good points that you make. This isn’t Holyrood, it’s a football forum populated by depressed alcoholic diddy team supporters. I hadn't realised when i got involved there was such a strict code of behaviour on here. I had truly underestimated the importance of a football website political sub forum. If only i had observed the serious debate and decorum that was interacting on here first i wouldn't have screwed up so badly. I mean Fyde/Jupe/ Pepsoabysmall/Afro and others were showing the way with polite reasoned responses regardless of difference of opinion. It's such a sharp learning curve with these guys. I am trying though i really am. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: Pepsoabysmall 15 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: "Your wiv da angles" 3 hours ago, Loondave1 said: Your head is "blocked". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I hadn't realised when i got involved there was such a strict code of behaviour on here. I had truly underestimated the importance of a football website political sub forum. If only i had observed the serious debate and decorum that was interacting on here first i wouldn't have screwed up so badly. I mean Fyde/Jupe/ Pepsoabysmall/Afro and others were showing the way with polite reasoned responses regardless of difference of opinion. It's such a sharp learning curve with these guys. I am trying though i really am. The best posters on this sub forum are the ones who realised it’s a pointless endeavour and act accordingly. There’s about 15 of us on here and nobody is changing their mind at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: I hadn't realised when i got involved there was such a strict code of behaviour on here. I had truly underestimated the importance of a football website political sub forum. If only i had observed the serious debate and decorum that was interacting on here first i wouldn't have screwed up so badly. I mean Fyde/Jupe/ Pepsoabysmall/Afro and others were showing the way with polite reasoned responses regardless of difference of opinion. It's such a sharp learning curve with these guys. I am trying though i really am. You have to get your trolling nuanced to be really effective. I've got a BBCbad thread set up in my honour just by mentioning facts and shit. Edited March 10, 2018 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, NotThePars said: The best posters on this sub forum are the ones who realised it’s a pointless endeavour and act accordingly. There’s about 15 of us on here and nobody is changing their mind at this point. Bit depressing if true. I was slightly hoping we were making a difference, like getting Rangers pumped to League 2 and getting Alexandra Burke sent to Peterhead. There are probably a lot more people visiting the forum, shrieking and running away. Let's be on our best irascible but rational behaviour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Bit depressing if true. I was slightly hoping we were making a difference, like getting Rangers pumped to League 2 and getting Alexandra Burke sent to Peterhead. There are probably a lot more people visiting the forum, shrieking and running away. Let's be on our best irascible but rational behaviour. That’s the entire forum who’re conducting a public good. There’s nothing noble about our sub forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Getting back to the question in hand. I don't see there being an Indyref2 anytime soon. There does not appear to be any real appetite. That may change with a hard Brexit, and whilst that would be a positive spin off of such a dire event, I've come to the conclusion that the event itself must be avoided at all costs. A hard Brexit followed by another failed Indyref (if we were 'allowed' to have one) would be a massive blow to progressive politics in Scotland. The next two decades have the potential of being a regressive and reactionary political period both domestically and worldwide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Hands off our sub forum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: The best posters on this sub forum are the ones who realised it’s a pointless endeavour and act accordingly. There’s about 15 of us on here and nobody is changing their mind at this point. P.S. I'm not fixed. If there was a better chance of a liberal socialist progressive democracy in the UK than in an independent Scotland, I'd vote No. Can't imagine that ever being the case though. Edited March 10, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB 4.2 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Getting back to the question in hand. I don't see there being an Indyref2 anytime soon. There does not appear to be any real appetite. That may change with a hard Brexit, and whilst that would be a positive spin off of such a dire event, I've come to the conclusion that the event itself must be avoided at all costs. A hard Brexit followed by another failed Indyref (if we were 'allowed' to have one) would be a massive blow to progressive politics in Scotland. The next two decades have the potential of being a regressive and reactionary political period both domestically and worldwide. Thankfully absolutely nobody cares about your view. The democratic mandate is there and we're voting again. On that day you can wipe your bib and vote as your career sees fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Granny Danger is the literal “petty booj” poster on this forum. A small business owner with vested interests in the status quo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I don't really see a definite win coming until the effects of Brexit start to hit. By all means rush into a potential loser if just having it as soon as possible for the sake of it is your thing though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Getting back to the question in hand. I don't see there being an Indyref2 anytime soon. There does not appear to be any real appetite. That may change with a hard Brexit, and whilst that would be a positive spin off of such a dire event, I've come to the conclusion that the event itself must be avoided at all costs. A hard Brexit followed by another failed Indyref (if we were 'allowed' to have one) would be a massive blow to progressive politics in Scotland. The next two decades have the potential of being a regressive and reactionary political period both domestically and worldwide. I think there will be an indyref2 soon, but if it is lost, either by stupidness or fiddling, I'm glad I'm a more mature person and won't see the complete destruction of Scotland. We could have it all, or we could end up a scorched earth grouse moor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Getting back to the question in hand. I don't see there being an Indyref2 anytime soon. There does not appear to be any real appetite. That may change with a hard Brexit, and whilst that would be a positive spin off of such a dire event, I've come to the conclusion that the event itself must be avoided at all costs. A hard Brexit followed by another failed Indyref (if we were 'allowed' to have one) would be a massive blow to progressive politics in Scotland. The next two decades have the potential of being a regressive and reactionary political period both domestically and worldwide. Good argument for holding a referendum soon imo while the odds are close to 50/50 imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Granny Danger is the literal “petty booj” poster on this forum. A small business owner with vested interests in the status quo. Granny shifted his view on Brexit without any possible impact on his business as it's purely domestic. He's a man of honour imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Randy Giles said: I don't really see a definite win coming until the effects of Brexit start to hit. By all means rush into a potential loser if just having it as soon as possible for the sake of it is your thing though. On balance I’d prefer waiting until Brexit hits. However, that’s with the caveat that sitting waiting on the polls to change is a non-starter. Scots will sleepwalk into the destruction of the nation for auld lang syne unless there is an active, strong, vigorous push on the part of our government. The polls can change (as 2014 demonstrated), but not without proper debate and campaigning, which relies on there being a referendum announced. There’s never going to be a magic moment springing up. Edited March 10, 2018 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Granny shifted his view on Brexit without any possible impact on his business as it's purely domestic. He's a man of honour imo. He shifted his view because he felt comfortable taking an anti-EU stance when it never looked like he’d have to defend that stance as it occurred. Corbyn isn’t objectionable because of his euroscepticism, it’s completely fitting with his socialist outlook. He’s objectionable because he’s willing to overlook abusive elements of his immediate backers and because he’s willing to throw immigrants under the bus for votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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