Detournement Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: You are unbelievable. You are more than happy to let a right wing Tory racist run Scotland from the bowels of WM, as opposed to Scotland forging proper unity as an independent country. You 'still naw' folk are disgraceful I'm not giving any opinion on what I want. It's an assessment of Sturgeon's position. I think she is already thinking about her next job and she won't want to make to want to be seen as someone who pisses in the tent. The Kissinger/Albright tweets, the Remain rallies, photos with Alistair Campbell, dingying AUOB, Growth Commission. She's not going to do anything radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 There is zero chance of Sturgeon forcing a constitutional crisis. The only people forcing a constitutional crisis are the rightwing shitbags trying to force their No Deal Brexit through with the support of their tiny party membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 3 hours ago, Detournement said: There is zero chance of Sturgeon forcing a constitutional crisis. The only people forcing a constitutional crisis are the rightwing shitbags trying to force their No Deal Brexit through with the support of their tiny party membership. And a compliant Labour leader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, welshbairn said: And a compliant Labour leader. What do you suggest Corbyn does? The agreed policy is negotiate a deal with the EU that protects workers and put the deal to the electorate. They voted for that multiple times in the spring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Detournement said: What do you suggest Corbyn does? The agreed policy is negotiate a deal with the EU that protects workers and put the deal to the electorate. They voted for that multiple times in the spring. How can they do that when they're not in power? It's total nonsense. Corbyn's gone directly against conference by not going directly for a 2nd referendum when they failed to win a VOC and then failed to win votes on a softer brexit. Step 3 was clear, and he whipped Labour against it. If Corbyn doesn't actively want a no deal brexit he's been the least effective leader of the opposition in memory, and against a minority government. "Maybe put a deal to a 2nd referendum after further consultations", 3 years on. What fucking deal, there isn't one! If he was serious about wanting a soft Brexit, then he should have backed the Withdrawal Agreement which Starmer and other leaders have admitted they have nothing against. It said nothing about the final deal, just set the pre-conditions for talking about it. So he's blocked every alternative to a no deal brexit. Edited June 30, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Detournement said: What do you suggest Corbyn does? He's the Leader of the Opposition. There's a clue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Tibbermoresaint said: He's the Leader of the Opposition. There's a clue. You're honestly wasting your time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Detournement said: What do you suggest Corbyn does? The agreed policy is negotiate a deal with the EU that protects workers and put the deal to the electorate. They voted for that multiple times in the spring. What any proper socialist leader should do. Educate the millions of uneducant working class voters in England that leaving the EU is gonnae be terrible for them. Instead he has shat the bed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 What any proper socialist leader should do. Educate the millions of uneducant working class voters in England that leaving the EU is gonnae be terrible for them. Instead he has shat the bed.Aye, cos telling people they're wrong and stupid always goes down well in politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: What any proper socialist leader should do. Educate the millions of uneducant working class voters in England that leaving the EU is gonnae be terrible for them. Instead he has shat the bed. I like your style. There is respect to be had for a politician who guides and leads, but Corbyn can't get beyond what Benn said in the 70s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, pandarilla said: 34 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: What any proper socialist leader should do. Educate the millions of uneducant working class voters in England that leaving the EU is gonnae be terrible for them. Instead he has shat the bed. Aye, cos telling people they're wrong and stupid always goes down well in politics. Truth hurts......but it is the truth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, sophia said: I like your style. There is respect to be had for a politician who guides and leads, but Corbyn can't get beyond what Benn said in the 70s I like the word "uneducant"....it fits nicely...and I don't care if it ain't queen's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 9 hours ago, pandarilla said: 9 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: What any proper socialist leader should do. Educate the millions of uneducant working class voters in England that leaving the EU is gonnae be terrible for them. Instead he has shat the bed. Aye, cos telling people they're wrong and stupid always goes down well in politics. Write it on the side of a bus. Millions seem to believe bus ads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 Former Labour Minister Malcolm Chisholm changing to Yes? Tide turning... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Always respected Malcolm Chisholm. He was one of the decent ones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Always respected Malcolm Chisholm. He was one of the decent ones. I've just realised I've killed him off. Welcome aboard the yes party Malcolm!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Anyone know what polling is for Devo Max / Full Fiscal Autonomy these days? I think one lesson from brexit is it would be good to get to a position where a substantial proportion of the electorate are in favour. Status quo and Indy are polarising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, tirso said: Anyone know what polling is for Devo Max / Full Fiscal Autonomy these days? I think one lesson from brexit is it would be good to get to a position where a substantial proportion of the electorate are in favour. Status quo and Indy are polarising. Think you have to keep it realistic. Devo Max / FFA is not really a go-er 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, tirso said: Anyone know what polling is for Devo Max / Full Fiscal Autonomy these days? I think one lesson from brexit is it would be good to get to a position where a substantial proportion of the electorate are in favour. Status quo and Indy are polarising. Indy is normal, which is the very opposite of polarising. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Indy is normal, which is the very opposite of polarising. Over half of the population disagree which is pretty polarising. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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