Baxter Parp Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, HalfCutNinja said: The SNP are in government champ. And actually the money was raised not for party business and not all from party members or even supporters. The SNP is a political party, not a government. I hope this helps. I doubt it will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, TAFKAM said: A pal who was in the SNP prior to this (& enthusiastically welcomed the new intake) said several in his local party viewed these new folk with irritation. Almost like 'where were you when we needed you?' kind of attitude. I think a lot of the culture war internally is really motivated by people not wanting to relinquish control to younger and more left wing members who they feel aren't 'proper' SNP. You see it sometimes on here with people saying how long they've been a member as if it means their views are worth more. Well said. And it was for leadership to manage that, but they didn’t bother. growing x5 overnight needs a completely new executive team and strategy but instead Murrell stayed in place and just squandered the whole thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, HalfCutNinja said: Nope, that's not what they said when they asked for the money. That's what they're saying now to facilitate them hiding the fact they've spent it. Please link to what "they said". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Is it true, however, that they have 125000 members which Sandy keeps quoting? They did indeed get a lot of new members but quite a lot of people also left. No doubt the upcoming accounts will show the true figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Is it true, however, that they have 125000 members which Sandy keeps quoting? They did indeed get a lot of new members but quite a lot of people also left. No doubt the upcoming accounts will show the true figure. There has been zero work done on member retention. I would be surprised if 50k haven’t dropped off since 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I will engage but only if you make an undertaking at the outset not to quibble over very precise wording. So if I say 'they've spent it and are explaining why they think this is ok' but the statement doesn't say 'we've spent it and are explaining why we think this is ok', and you say this is proof they haven't spent it then I will not engage with you on this. So let me know if you're content with these terms.Done in that this got pied 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfCutNinja Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 40 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: The SNP is a political party, not a government. I hope this helps. I doubt it will. A political party in government. And do you actually understand they asked for money not for party business, got it from people who aren't party members and in many cases not even supporters, then spent it on party business? You do understand that yeah? Then they lied about it, and fucking morons like you lapped it up and defended them to the hilt and are still doing it. You're a cultish freak and am embarrassment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfCutNinja Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Please link to what "they said". They said a ringfenced fund to fight an independence referendum. The money is gone, so it wasn't ringfenced, and there has been no referendum, so they didn't spend it on that. They lied. You are willfully ignorant and convincing nobody but yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBear Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 No need for a fund. It ain't happening. Nippy knows she can't win and the fat snpira tit in Westminster saying he's too busy enjoying life there to have another ref. Wee Gove also in the media giving it there will be no thought of a ref 2 until after the next GE. However, got to hand it to Nippy, she has done a great job in kippering her own! -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: The SNP is a political party, not a government. I hope this helps. I doubt it will. That's a differentiation that you apparently ignore when looking at the UK Government On 24/10/2020 at 14:06, Baxter Parp said: £96m laptop contracts went to Tory donor’s firm https://schoolsweek.co.uk/96m-laptop-contracts-went-to-tory-donors-firm/ This is the single most corrupt British government in living history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 A political party in government. And do you actually understand they asked for money not for party business, got it from people who aren't party members and in many cases not even supporters, then spent it on party business? You do understand that yeah? Then they lied about it, and fucking morons like you lapped it up and defended them to the hilt and are still doing it. You're a cultish freak and am embarrassment.Independence is SNP party policy, mate. I don't know what to tell you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 You mean you can't tell the difference between a government contract and party political fundraising? Fucking hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: 6 hours ago, strichener said: You mean you can't tell the difference between a government contract and party political fundraising? Fucking hell. I can tell the difference which wasn't the point. But you know this and as usual when your hipocrisy is pointed out revert to deflection. If the SNP as a party have been dishonest then it reflect on the SNP government just as any corruption in the Tory party reflects on the UK government. Your position is either ignorant, blinded by SNP loyalty or most likely both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I can tell the difference which wasn't the point. But you know this and as usual when your hipocrisy is pointed out revert to deflection. If the SNP as a party have been dishonest then it reflect on the SNP government just as any corruption in the Tory party reflects on the UK government. Your position is either ignorant, blinded by SNP loyalty or most likely both.If there's any actual dishonesty it would be revealed in the annual audit or by the Electoral Commission who review the books annually. There is none. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: 11 hours ago, strichener said: I can tell the difference which wasn't the point. But you know this and as usual when your hipocrisy is pointed out revert to deflection. If the SNP as a party have been dishonest then it reflect on the SNP government just as any corruption in the Tory party reflects on the UK government. Your position is either ignorant, blinded by SNP loyalty or most likely both. If there's any actual dishonesty it would be revealed in the annual audit or by the Electoral Commission who review the books annually. There is none. You must have missed that small issue of a football club from Glasgow, American power company, UK outsourcer etc. etc One last time, where is the £592k that can be spent instantaneously? Quote To be clear, by the end of 2020 a total of £666,953 had been raised through the independence related appeals and coded as such through the internal process. These donations are also included in – and have been reconciled with – the total amount for donations included in Party accounts from 2017 to 2020 There is no doubt that this is the case. The question remains where is the cash. It certainly isn't in the bank account of the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 On 22/06/2021 at 22:08, Baxter Parp said: Ein reich, ein volk. With England playing Germany next week, no doubt the usual papers will be full of Battle of Britain stuff and other digs at Europe. Wonder if they'll push for England to wear the black shirts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: With England playing Germany next week, no doubt the usual papers will be full of Battle of Britain stuff and other digs at Europe. Wonder if they'll push for England to wear the black shirts? Yes the english media will be full of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 There is no doubt that this is the case. The question remains where is the cash. It certainly isn't in the bank account of the SNP.Companies don't make separate accounts for different budget items, they do a cash flow longer term and do stress testing etc to it and will have a plan to go somewhere if they fall short.It's a ridiculous non story that is normal practice and has just gotten legs because of the Alba people.If they have indeed fucked up and ended up borrowing money too expensively etc, that's a completely different story all together and one of incompetence. In that case though, you can't really get at them even for that unless there's some party rule that they have to release some of that forecasting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, harry94 said: Companies don't make separate accounts for different budget items, they do a cash flow longer term and do stress testing etc to it and will have a plan to go somewhere if they fall short. It's a ridiculous non story that is normal practice and has just gotten legs because of the Alba people. If they have indeed fucked up and ended up borrowing money too expensively etc, that's a completely different story all together and one of incompetence. In that case though, you can't really get at them even for that unless there's some party rule that they have to release some of that forecasting. As shown in The Herald earlier in the month the SNP used to separate out restricted funds: This is exactly what you would expect to see if an amount was raised for a specific purpose and described as 'ring-fenced' - and this is exactly what we don't see. The true truth is that 'ring-fenced' money has been spent to keep the lights on and not for the reason it was raised so it is entirely a story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, The_Kincardine said: As shown in The Herald earlier in the month the SNP used to separate out restricted funds: This is exactly what you would expect to see if an amount was raised for a specific purpose and described as 'ring-fenced' - and this is exactly what we don't see. The true truth is that 'ring-fenced' money has been spent to keep the lights on and not for the reason it was raised so it is entirely a story. The 'Ring fenced' argument is about syntax - as said in my post, it's quite normal and legitimate practice for cash to flow between different budgets. As long as it ultimately ends up spent in the right place in the end and the intent is there, it's completely reasonable to have everything on the table, cash is volatile and you need to use all your reserves. Unless it has been constructed with some sort of malice or someone to run away, it's a nothing story that relies on people having a creative imagination. If you're corrupt, the worst place to create a ponzi scheme is a national political party with millions of revenue per year that have additional auditing steps. You're infinitely better trying to get on the ground of a McGarry scheme (but do it more competently). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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