The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread

[ICTChris]

I think "received wisdom" is a big thing in Scottish footbal media, at least when it comes to stories like this.  The Record etc can always fill pages and don't have to try too hard, ex-players don't have to think too much and the target audience can read it.  This is true with things like crowds, youth development, quality of play, comparisons with England.

[mylothedog]

Paul Lambert is a h*n. No h*ns will admit that scottish football can flourish without them. It's in their DNA

[Monkey Tennis]

8 hours ago, The Minertaur said:

Got to remember it'll be largely Rangers fans voting on it.

"“Celtic and Rangers, in years gone by, provided a lot of players for the national team and it’s mainly Celtic now. That’s the bigger picture and people hadn’t really thought it through. Nobody thought, ‘Well how is this going to affect Scotland, the league itself, Glasgow as a city?’"

I'm sure Glasgow the city coped just fine. 

Their first season after 'demotion' the following youth players were released -

Gordon Dick, Ewan McNeil, Anthony Marenghi,  Adam Hunter, Adel Gafaiti, Josh Robinson, Jack Werndly, Robbie McIntyre and Sam George. I've only heard of 2 of them since then really.  

Our last competitive match before Rangers disappeared was away to Spain in October 2011.  The starting line up that day and their youth team -

Allan McGregor (Rangers) - Alan Hutton (Rangers) Phillip Bardsley (Man United) - Christophe Berra (Hearts) Gary Caldwell (Celtic) Charlie Adam (Dundee) - Darren Fletcher [c] (Man United) James Morrison (Middlesbrough) Craig Mackail-Smith (St Albans City) Barry Bannan (Celtic) Steven Naismith (Rangers and then Kilmarnock)

Hardly anything crazy and nothing that we needed to be over reliant on.  Back then you could have had Craig Gordon in goals and Steven Whittaker at right back.

Rangers had the perfect opportunity to develop it's youth when they went down to the bottom league.  They could have put all their money into youth development and created a team full of talented youngsters.  Instead they wasted all their cash on shite like Kevin Kyle etc.  It's not anybodies fault that Rangers have only really produced Barrie McKay recently other than Rangers.

And the last time Scotland sent a team to a tournament, at the height of the duopoly, with Rangers having just had ten in a row blocked, that entire squad featured but one Rangers player.

Lambert is an absolutely clueless moron.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

I think "received wisdom" is a big thing in Scottish footbal media, at least when it comes to stories like this.  The Record etc can always fill pages and don't have to try too hard, ex-players don't have to think too much and the target audience can read it.  This is true with things like crowds, youth development, quality of play, comparisons with England.

You're right.

It's an intrinsically lazy approach but in its own dishonest, unambitious terms, it works well enough.  The readers aren't generally bright and most are riddled with OFcentric prejudices.  An ex-player like Lambert has never had a thought in his life.  Put that together and a daft wee article can readily be run off.

The most annoying part though is the myth's resilience.  Before, we just thought and felt that our game had the potential to operate just fine without the duopoly.  Now though, we have empirical evidence that unequivocally proves that it can, because it did.  Still though, a Souness or a Lambert feels at liberty to produce such shite, while media outlets provide an uncritical platform for it.

A post truth world indeed. 

 

Edited December 20, 2017 by Monkey Tennis

[DA Baracus]

15 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

And the last time Scotland sent a team to a tournament, at the height of the duopoly, with Rangers having just had ten in a row blocked, that entire squad featured but one Rangers player.

Lambert is an absolutely clueless moron.

And he was in said squad

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, DA Baracus said:

And he was in said squad

Indeed.

But he'll know less about it than we do.

[Mr. Nice]

http://onfieldsofgreen.com/keith-jackson-a-corpse-by-the-road/

[coprolite]

And the last time Scotland sent a team to a tournament, at the height of the duopoly, with Rangers having just had ten in a row blocked, that entire squad featured but one Rangers player.
Lambert is an absolutely clueless moron.

They managed to contribute that many from the bottom division anyway.

Fortunately the demotion didn't deprive us, as a Nation, of Ian Black.

[Monkey Tennis]

8 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Boooooooooooooo.

I agree.

Using the word 'demotion' without those quotation marks definitely prompted booooooooing.

[The Minertaur]

Not really journalism but the Daily Record hotline page comes up with gold again.  

Quote

Peter Brewer, Blackpool, said: “Gordon Strachan has had his say in Record Sport but the reason he is no longer in the job is because he failed and there is very little sympathy.

“He ignored Lee Wallace and Barrie McKay who were two international class players regardless of the fact they were playing in the lower leagues with Rangers .”

 

[senorsoupe]

3 hours ago, The Minertaur said:

Not really journalism but the Daily Record hotline page comes up with gold again.  

 

God bless the callers to the Record hotline, it's one of those little comedy features that makes Scottish football so enjoyable.  

[ayrmad]

6 hours ago, coprolite said:

They managed to contribute that many from the bottom division anyway.

Fortunately the demotion didn't deprive us, as a Nation, of Ian Black.

Lovely guy.

[shootingboots]

For whatever reason, the Daily Record website on every single Aberdeen related article has a video of the Real Sociedad v Aberdeen game from 3.5 years ago.

The score has been wrong on it ever since. 

I don't know why the video is there either. 

Morons. 

[The Minertaur]

Catchy

Not catchy 

 

[The Master]

From the BT email advertising their Christmas sport:

James Forrest has spoken of his admiration for Celtic's in-form front man, Scott Sinclair, and wants to compete with his goal haul. The wingers are sending balls into the back of the net like they're going out of fashion – can Dundee keep them from reaching new heights and dish the defending champions their second blow this month?

While BT’s coverage is still generally better than Sky’s, there does still seem to be this default position of it being all about two clubs. We saw that with the League Cup semi-final advertising.

 

 

 

[senorsoupe]

4 hours ago, The Master said:

From the BT email advertising their Christmas sport:

 

While BT’s coverage is still generally better than Sky’s, there does still seem to be this default position of it being all about two clubs. We saw that with the League Cup semi-final advertising.

 

 

 

Especially because most Celtic fans wouldn't really consider Sinclair to be "in-form" at the moment....

[7-2]

The Rangers job isn't on my radar, I'm only focusing on Kilmarnock says Steve Clarke after speculation linking him to Ibrox. (Daily Record)

And of course tomorrow Kilmarnock play...

[ManBearPig]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42375788

"When Accies keeper Tomas Cerny failed to adequately deal with a Dougie Imrie header, Greg Docherty pounced but was denied a goal by Keown's last-gasp block."

[Keith Walwyn]

Football focus showed the Scottish premiership table at lunch time. Only problem was they missed out Ross county and partick thistle. Not at all surprised mind you. 

[7-2]

Family niceties out of the way, time to check the footy. Lets see what the BBC 'Scotland' site is leading with...
-perhaps a jolly festive greeting given what day it is
-or an Edinburgh derby preview as it's, well the Edinburgh derby and also the biggest game on midweek as 5th host 4th
-ah, but first Dundee play Celtic tomorrow so that should really lead
What have we got though...a fucking Rangers Int player promoting  Wednesday's 3rd v 8th game.

There is absolutely no justification for this. The c***s just don't care.