By election updates

[ICTChris]

UKIP might have done better if their candidate, and leader, hadn't been revealed as telling numerous lies during the campaign.

People aren't stupid though - they know that UKIP showing up proclaiming that are the people's army or party of Bexit or whatever the f**k they were saying are just as much carpetbaggers as Tristan Hunt being parachuted in.

[wastecoatwilly]

20 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

UKIP will be finished after Brexit. It depends on European Parliamentary funding to finance its operations and campaigning. It would need a wealthy donor to put in £ millions to survive. Banks is not going to fund a party led by Nuttall, especially after the recent fall-out over Hillsborough. 

There is a movement for this type of party in England but will always be limited by the lack of policies and come down to the narrative. 

[Bishop Briggs]

31 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

There is a movement for this type of party in England but will always be limited by the lack of policies and come down to the narrative. 

A new English National Party, arguing for full English independence from the rest of the UK, would be a useful ally for the SNP.

The English Democrats have failed and are tarnished by the defections of ex-BNP members and activists.

[Wee Willie]

2 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

A new English National Party, arguing for full English independence from the rest of the UK, would be a useful ally for the SNP.

The English Democrats have failed and are tarnished by the defections of ex-BNP members and activists.

Yay! I would vote for that 

[wastecoatwilly]

2 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

A new English National Party, arguing for full English independence from the rest of the UK, would be a useful ally for the SNP.

The English Democrats have failed and are tarnished by the defections of ex-BNP members and activists.

The catalyst for such a party would be an independent Scotland not sure about the ally bit.

 

[Granny Danger]

3 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

A new English National Party, arguing for full English independence from the rest of the UK, would be a useful ally for the SNP.

The English Democrats have failed and are tarnished by the defections of ex-BNP members and activists.

Any English National Party would likely be filled with Royalist-loving, small minded, xenophobic racists.  Can't see the SNP wanting to ally ourselves with the likes of that.

 

[Antlion]

16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Any English National Party would likely be filled with Royalist-loving, small minded, xenophobic racists.  Can't see the SNP wanting to ally ourselves with the likes of that.

 

It's interesting to question why that is, but the answer isn't hard to find: England doesn't have the democratic deficit Scotland does within the UK (due to the size of its population dominating). If, say, Scotland's choices at the ballot box were frequently outweighing England's, it would be a different story.

Imagine if England had voted to leave the EU, for example, but because Scotland's population had voted to remain, it had to remain (or voice versa). The self-satisfied jeers of "we voted as one single UK, so suck it up" wouldn't keep the parliaments merged for a London minute.

English nationalism doesn't really exist as a force because England already chooses the UK's governments and makes referenda decisions by force of numbers. As a nation, England can therefore solidly back the UK, because for political purposes, it rules the UK.

[Bishop Briggs]

47 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Any English National Party would likely be filled with Royalist-loving, small minded, xenophobic racists.  Can't see the SNP wanting to ally ourselves with the likes of that.

http://englishdemocrats.party/english_democrats_around_england/do-the-snp-really-want-scottish-independence/

"There is only one political party in England that has a similar separatist agenda as the SNP, the English Democrats. In 2013 they adopted a policy of complete Independence for England, but left open the question of what would happen to the rest of the UK. 

"Steve Uncles, Campaign Director pointed out that informal discussions had taken place with Angus McNeil SNP MP, who had been kind enough to attend and speak at a previous English Democrats Conference.  We were then hopeful that we could work with the SNP but nothing came of it.

"In 2011 an opinion poll by ComRes found 36% of English voters were in favour of independence for England, and that was in the face of years of Unionist propaganda from the media and establishment. A similar result (34%) was obtained in an ICM poll in September 2014."

"Robin Tilbrook (Chairman) added..."The English Democrats want Independence for England, we want to break-up the UK, and we’re prepared to work with anyone to obtain that goal. Perhaps the SNP should apply the same strategy!”.

[welshbairn]

The only chance an English independence movement had was if enough of them voted tactically to Remain, along with an even greater proportion of Scottish Nationalists, so England were forced to stay in the EU against their wishes because of the Scottish vote. The seethe would have been magnificent.

[mjw]

2013 2011 2014

If a weeks a long time in politics..

[Bishop Briggs]

12 minutes ago, mjw said:

If a weeks a long time in politics..

But still relevant now. The SNP were talking to the EDs about an alliance in 2013/14, i.e. before IndyRef. The ICM poll on English independence was conducted around the same time as IndyRef. 

Around 35% support for English independence is significant as no major party has campaigned for it. If there was a well-organised campaign, that figure could rise substantially.

And yet the SNP did not want to form an independence alliance to break up the UK. It's still relevant to ask why?

[mjw]

I've just had a look at their website and they look to be out on the right wing.

Somewhere between the Tories and ukip it would seem.

 

 

 

[DublinMagyar]

But still relevant now. The SNP were talking to the EDs about an alliance in 2013/14, i.e. before IndyRef. The ICM poll on English independence was conducted around the same time as IndyRef. 

Around 35% support for English independence is significant as no major party has campaigned for it. If there was a well-organised campaign, that figure could rise substantially.

And yet the SNP did not want to form an independence alliance to break up the UK. It's still relevant to ask why?

Is it because Goliath was a c**t?

 

[cdhafc1874]

You can't form an alliance with an English party who represent the right-wing ethnic nationalism model which is the polar opposite of the civic nationalism model of the SNP.

Simples.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

English Independence seems like a cheap ploy to dump the Welsh on us

[mjw]

I've just had a look at their website and they look to be out on the right wing.
Somewhere between the Tories and ukip it would seem.
 
 
 

Their first page has.
Jon Gaunt- who managed to get sacked from Talksport for being a c**t. Who now runs a sort of radio right wing from his bedroom.
An article about pesky Jock's stealing English fishing quota.
An article about 'Leftists'
A list of 50 labour MPs who voted against brexit.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

English Independence seems like a cheap ploy to dump the Welsh on us

I would have no problem with that if it weren't for welshbairn.

[wastecoatwilly]

8 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

But still relevant now. The SNP were talking to the EDs about an alliance in 2013/14, i.e. before IndyRef. The ICM poll on English independence was conducted around the same time as IndyRef. 

Around 35% support for English independence is significant as no major party has campaigned for it. If there was a well-organised campaign, that figure could rise substantially.

And yet the SNP did not want to form an independence alliance to break up the UK. It's still relevant to ask why?

It would have been political suicide for the SNP
This is a massive red herring with no relevance 
Scots history has all the warning signs
Only Scots independence would trigger English independence 

[ICTChris]

Gerald Kaufman has died, meaning there will be a by-election for his seat of Manchester Gorton.  It's one of Labour's safest, with a majority of 24,000+.

[Scary Bear]

Ban auld MPs?