By election updates

[sureiknow]

22 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

But never by UKIP or the Brexit Party?

Sorry, i should have said the three main parties.

Not UKIP as they are dead.

Give the Brexit Party a bit of time, only formed ffs.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

46 minutes ago, sureiknow said:

Sorry, i should have said the three main parties.

Not UKIP as they are dead.

Give the Brexit Party a bit of time, only formed ffs.

The billionaire backers managed to buy a bit of publicity and gain a few meaningless MEP's. 

Given the huge amount of publicity, and the championing of Farage by the right-wing press, not to win this bye-election was a huge humiliation. 

Where do they go from here ? They have no manifesto, no clear plan outside a suicidal WTO Brexit, and no infrastructure. Farage keeps his record as a serial failure, and as with UKIP, the voters have seen through his bluster, arrogance and ignorance. 

He's now relying on publicity stunts to keep the Brexit party in the news, such as turning up at Downing St with a daft letter and stupid demands. But they're simply a protest party, and they've already shot their bolt. 

The Express and The Telegraph will do their best to keep them relevant, but very quickly they'll die and disappear. 

[John Lambies Doos]

A Labour Party activist previously jailed for Election fraud,  15 months jail, was on the Peterborough campaign team i see.
Seems 83% of the postal votes were for Labour. 
Any connection i wonder.
 

You really are a slavering imbecile.
An avatar with Trump holding an Ulster flag, unbelievable levels of moronic simpletonism

[Bishop Briggs]

6 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The billionaire backers managed to buy a bit of publicity and gain a few meaningless MEP's. 

Given the huge amount of publicity, and the championing of Farage by the right-wing press, not to win this bye-election was a huge humiliation. 

Where do they go from here ? They have no manifesto, no clear plan outside a suicidal WTO Brexit, and no infrastructure. Farage keeps his record as a serial failure, and as with UKIP, the voters have seen through his bluster, arrogance and ignorance. 

He's now relying on publicity stunts to keep the Brexit party in the news, such as turning up at Downing St with a daft letter and stupid demands. But they're simply a protest party, and they've already shot their bolt. 

The Express and The Telegraph will do their best to keep them relevant, but very quickly they'll die and disappear. 

Farage led UKIP and TBP to victory (most votes and seats) in the last two European elections. He scared Cameron into delivering the EU referendum that resulted in a Leave victory, his main objective. And that's failure? 

Until a few months ago, he was planning to leave politics but changed his mind to form his new party. Even those who hate Farage should acknowledge that he's been a brilliant campaigner. Only Alex Salmond is better but his independence referendum strategy was flawed, both in terms of timing and policy.

[Tibbermoresaint]

1 minute ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Farage led UKIP and TBP to victory (most votes and seats) in the last two European elections. He scared Cameron into delivering the EU referendum that resulted in a Leave victory, his main objective. And that's failure? 

Until a few months ago, he was planning to leave politics but changed his mind to form his new party. Even those who hate Farage should acknowledge that he's been a brilliant campaigner. Only Alex Salmond is better but his independence referendum strategy was flawed, both in terms of timing and policy.

is there no end to your drivel?

[sureiknow]

28 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

 

Where do they go from here ? They have no manifesto.

They then disappear.

Job done after Brexit.

Same as UKIP.

[sureiknow]

25 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

You really are a slavering imbecile.
An avatar with Trump holding an Ulster flag, unbelievable levels of moronic simpletonism

Does it annoy you?

Sad ....

And it's not an Ulster Flag.

Edited June 7, 2019 by sureiknow

[BawWatchin]

3 minutes ago, sureiknow said:

They then disappear.

Job done after Brexit.

Same as UKIP.

Try telling that to yourself and your anti-independence pals who think Scottish Independence = a totalitarian regime under the SNP.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Farage led UKIP and TBP to victory (most votes and seats) in the last two European elections. He scared Cameron into delivering the EU referendum that resulted in a Leave victory, his main objective. And that's failure? 
Until a few months ago, he was planning to leave politics but changed his mind to form his new party. Even those who hate Farage should acknowledge that he's been a brilliant campaigner. Only Alex Salmond is better but his independence referendum strategy was flawed, both in terms of timing and policy.

The by-election was a failure though - I don't think anyone expected them not to win it.

I'm no fan of Labour but was pleasantly surprised to wake up and hear that Continuity UKIP had lost.

[Bishop Briggs]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

The by-election was a failure though - I don't think anyone expected them not to win it.

I'm no fan of Labour but was pleasantly surprised to wake up and hear that Continuity UKIP had lost.

Differential turnout makes a huge difference in a close by-election. Labour were well organised, had the benefit of years of canvas returns and got its vote out. The Tories had a hardline Brexiteer as their candidate. If they had fielded a boring May loyalist, TBP could have won. 

There's no chance on an early general election now. The Tories have lost their big donors and are in big trouble. They couldn't even fund professional Euro elections and by-election campaigns. 

[Tibbermoresaint]

4 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

The Tories had a hardline Brexiteer as their candidate. 

And were the biggest losers of the night. Telling.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Differential turnout makes a huge difference in a close by-election. Labour were well organised, had the benefit of years of canvas returns and got its vote out. The Tories had a hardline Brexiteer as their candidate. If they had fielded a boring May loyalist, TBP could have won. 
There's no chance on an early general election now. The Tories have lost their big donors and are in big trouble. They couldn't even fund professional Euro elections and by-election campaigns. 

Older voters tend to turn out in higher numbers on low turnouts - one would have expected that to favour the Brexit Party.

I wondered if something was afoot when they put out that publicity to encourage Remain voters to vote Lib Dem.

[sureiknow]

54 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

 a totalitarian regime under the SNP.

I don't think that.

[John Lambies Doos]

And were the biggest losers of the night. Telling.

Not really when you add the hard line brexiteer plus the brexit party. You get c.7k more than labour.
What's telling is the Conservatives all need to go hard line.

[Tibbermoresaint]

Just now, John Lambies Doos said:

Not really when you add the hard line brexiteer plus the brexit party. You get c.7k more than labour.
What's telling is the Conservatives all need to go hard line.

No. Going hard-line cost them votes. 

[John Lambies Doos]

No. Going hard-line cost them votes. 

If a remainer Tory had stood on a remainer platform, then more of the Torys would have voted for the brexit party and they would have won. Surely you see this?

[Bishop Briggs]

Just now, John Lambies Doos said:

Not really when you add the hard line brexiteer plus the brexit party. You get c.7k more than labour.
What's telling is the Conservatives all need to go hard line.

Add the Lib Dem votes to the Labour's if you are trying to compare Brexit and Remain totals. Add rump UKIP's 400 to TBP too. 

However, some Remainers would have stayed loyal to the Tories and some Leavers would stayed loyal to Labour.

[John Lambies Doos]

Add the Lib Dem votes to the Labour's if you are trying to compare Brexit and Remain totals. Add rump UKIP's 400 to TBP too. 
However, some Remainers would have stayed loyal to the Tories and some Leavers would stayed loyal to Labour.

Of course but a remainer Tory candidate would have shipped at least an extra 700 votes to the Brexit party who would have won.
Lib Dems poor showing is also bad for Labours 2nd referendum call.

[Tibbermoresaint]

3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

4 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

No. Going hard-line cost them votes. 

If a remainer Tory had stood on a remainer platform, then more of the Torys would have voted for the brexit party and they would have won. Surely you see this?

There's no point in the Tories going hard-line because the Brexit Party already occupy that space.

[John Lambies Doos]

There's no point in the Tories going hard-line because the Brexit Party already occupy that space.

See this is the crux of the issue. They don't in so much as the Torys are about to get a possible hard line brexiteer as leader. Many people would have stuck with the Tory party last night with this in mind. Much more would undoubtedly have defected their vote last night if May was still in charge. Yes there are some Tory remainers but for their party to survive they need to move more hard right. Ultimately that is Farages modus operandi so it gets Brexit through. Farage is playing a blinder here.