Andy Murray The Greatest and General Tennis Chat

[Eednud]

 

Something smells

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59920379

Edited January 8, 2022 by Eednud

[MP_MFC]

So cynical. Just cause he’s had covid twice and his most recent attempt ensured that he’d be within the 28 day period you’re not medically recommended to have the jag for the tournament.

Guess an antibody test would prove that eh.

[Hammerafc]

Having looked at the guidelines available having recent Covid19 infection is only a exemption from pre flight testing. It clearly states it is not a valid exemption for Visa entry requirements. Can't see him winning this case.

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/immunisation-medical-exemptions?context=22436#a1

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Djokovic basically turning himself into the epitome of "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?" is going to pretty much lose him support from everyone apart from Serbians and nutcase anti-vaxxers who will have him as their poster boy. It will be funny to see him roundly booed at virtually every tournament he takes part in. 

[Mark Connolly]

There seems to be a discrepancy between what is required to be allowed to play in the tournament, and what is required to enter the country. The Australian Border Force love being dicks (ironic considering the prison ships etc), but to be fair to them, they stick to their rules.

A guy I used to work with competed in the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne in 2006 - he was nearly refused entry because he was accused of importing food, which happened to be the free peanuts from the plane. If they were that strict with that, it's no surprise they are stopping folk who can't prove they aren't importing a virus.

Also, GIRFUY Novak

 

[Hammerafc]

You don't have to agree with the rules and regulations or exemptions to agree with if it applies to everyone then that includes Novak. Plenty of sports people have been refused entry into UK and other countries including Maradona at one point and darts players but not as high profile as this case. The tournament or sport doesn't dictate visa requirements.

[Eednud]

1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said:

A guy I used to work with competed in the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne in 2006 - he was nearly refused entry because he was accused of importing food, which happened to be the free peanuts from the plane. If they were that strict with that, it's no surprise they are stopping folk who can't prove they aren't importing a virus.

The Incoming Passenger Card does clearly ask, amongst other things, “Are you bringing into Australia …… 7. Grains, seeds, bulbs, straw, nuts ….  Yes or No”. Easiest thing is select yes and tell them what it is and they’ll just wave you through. 

[Mark Connolly]

2 minutes ago, Eednud said:

The Incoming Passenger Card does clearly ask, amongst other things, “Are you bringing into Australia …… 7. Grains, seeds, bulbs, straw, nuts ….  Yes or No”. Easiest thing is select yes and tell them what it is and they’ll just wave you through. 

Is there a box for "Copious amounts of PEDs"?

[Eednud]

3 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Is there a box for "Copious amounts of PEDs"?

Item 1. 

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[Mark Connolly]

2 minutes ago, Eednud said:

Item 1. 

Well played

[Eednud]

Renata Voráčová deported.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-08/czech-tennis-player-renata-voráčová-deported-from-australia/100746080

[Eednud]

In case anyone’s interested. The comments are NOT mine (pays to pay look at what you type)

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Djokovic’s case submission

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-01/MLG%2035%20of%202022%20-%20Applicant%27s%20submissions.pdf

So according to that Djokovic had a temporary VISA granted on 18th November with no conditions (surely thats wrong), then a medical exemption on the 30th Dec from TA that was endorsed by Vic government for a Covid infection on 16th December.

That begs the question if he had a VISA with no conditions attached to it, why did he need the medical exemption anyway?

Then he had on 1st Jan a Declaration Assessment from Home Affairs saying that his responses indicate that he met requirements for quarantine free travel on Australia.

If this is the letter they are referring to from Home Affairs as a smoking gun then its going to end in a whimper you would think. As the “letter” says, the approval is based on his responses to declarations he made. The declarations he made would have had to do with him thinking he was coming in legitimately which have since been found to be incorrect. So this would make that null and void.

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[Ginaro]

38 minutes ago, Eednud said:

In case anyone’s interested. The comments are mine.

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Djokovic’s case submission

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-01/MLG%2035%20of%202022%20-%20Applicant%27s%20submissions.pdf

So according to that Djokovic had a temporary VISA granted on 18th November with no conditions (surely thats wrong), then a medical exemption on the 30th Dec from TA that was endorsed by Vic government for a Covid infection on 16th December.

That begs the question if he had a VISA with no conditions attached to it, why did he need the medical exemption anyway?

Then he had on 1st Jan a Declaration Assessment from Home Affairs saying that his responses indicate that he met requirements for quarantine free travel on Australia.

If this is the letter they are referring to from Home Affairs as a smoking gun then its going to end in a whimper you would think. As the “letter” says, the approval is based on his responses to declarations he made. The declarations he made would have had to do with him thinking he was coming in legitimately which have since been found to be incorrect. So this would make that null and void.

I'm no lawyer but from that it seems to come down to whether prior infection is one of the allowed medical exemptions - apparently the ATAGI guidance says yes, but we have the federal government's letter to the AO at the end of November saying no. That's some difference and a major breakdown in communication.

However even if his appeal is upheld he should be deported just for being a c**t if it turns out he was positive and not isolating on the 17th in Serbia.

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Ginaro

[welshbairn]

More on it here. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/we-need-them-tennis-australia-pleaded-for-vaccine-exemption-for-players-20220108-p59mqu.html

Edited January 8, 2022 by welshbairn

[Mark Connolly]

Djokovic seems to be taking the Prince Andrew approach to claiming innocence

[Eednud]

9 hours ago, Ginaro said:

In case anyone’s interested. The comments are mine.

That should have read The comments are NOT mine as it’s a cut and paste job.

[Loki]

It does seem to be a massive clusterfuck on all sides.  It does seem that Tennis Australia is massively at fault for giving out the wrong information.

Looking through documentation the prior infection would only give you an exemption only if it was the reason you could not get vaccinated.

I’d be very surprised to see him win his appeal.  Fully expect him to be getting deported by the time I get up tomorrow morning.  The other two using the same exemption as Novak have been deported already.

This isn’t new in tennis VISA mix ups occur  and Medvedev was not allowed to compete in GB Challengers a few years ago because of a visa mix up.  I am pretty sure there was a hold up in his visa for getting into the states this summer for his us open win.  But would have to look it up.

 

Anyway Murray will play a qualifier on Tuesday and if he wins he will play #2 seed Basilashvili in round 2.  He beat him the last time they played, so not the worse draw he could get.

 

[lichtie23]

Let him play and watch the reception he receives from the Australian public. 

[welshbairn]

On 08/01/2022 at 13:59, Eednud said:

In case anyone’s interested. The comments are NOT mine (pays to pay look at what you type)

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Djokovic’s case submission

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-01/MLG%2035%20of%202022%20-%20Applicant%27s%20submissions.pdf

So according to that Djokovic had a temporary VISA granted on 18th November with no conditions (surely thats wrong), then a medical exemption on the 30th Dec from TA that was endorsed by Vic government for a Covid infection on 16th December.

That begs the question if he had a VISA with no conditions attached to it, why did he need the medical exemption anyway?

Then he had on 1st Jan a Declaration Assessment from Home Affairs saying that his responses indicate that he met requirements for quarantine free travel on Australia.

If this is the letter they are referring to from Home Affairs as a smoking gun then its going to end in a whimper you would think. As the “letter” says, the approval is based on his responses to declarations he made. The declarations he made would have had to do with him thinking he was coming in legitimately which have since been found to be incorrect. So this would make that null and void.

The Government's response. Ends by saying that even if Djokovich wins his appeal they can just revoke his visa again and put him back into detention/deport him. 

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-01/MLG 35 of 2022 Submissions 9 Jan 2022.pdf

[Loki]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

The Government's response. Ends by saying that even if Djokovich wins his appeal they can just revoke his visa again and put him back into detention/deport him. 

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-01/MLG 35 of 2022 Submissions 9 Jan 2022.pdf

That was a long read, but an interesting read.  He’s not going to play the Australian Open, all they have to do is just keep cancelling until his first round match is played and his opponent will get a walkover.

If he does get to play I think he will finally let go of the desire to be loved and he will fully embrace villain Djokovic.  He will not miss a backhand all tournament.  His first round match will be the highest viewed match of the year without a doubt.

Thankfully it will be all over soon.  Australian Open will be covered by Discovery Plus this year.  6.99 for the month, but if you’re a new subscriber you can het a free trial.  And then you can treat yourself to the incredible Alaskan Killer Bigfoot.