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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

I've answered all of those questions already tbf, as well as outlining how I believe the process should work.

But you’ve still came to the conclusion that a train conductor is in a better position to deal with that situation over a police officer? I think we will need to agree to disagree then. 

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1 minute ago, IrishBhoy said:

Again, address that penalty fare to Barney Rubble, 123 Real Street. What is a train conductor going to be able to do when confronted with fraudulent details? Phone the Scotrail office and search them up on Facebook? Unworkable.  

What does a shopkeeper do when you steal from them? The pass evidence to the police and let them decide what to do with it.

If Barney Rubble wants to chance later being identified and prosecuted for committing what is already a criminal offence I'm not really sure what you want me to say to that tbh.

I would argue, however, that providing false details is clear evidence of a deliberate attempt to evade a fare - an offence which carries a higher penalty than a bog standard penalty fare.

Again, how much of a dick would you feel if you ended up with a criminal record for trying to avoid paying a few quid for the train, and then giving false details.

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4 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said:

But you’ve still came to the conclusion that a train conductor is in a better position to deal with that situation over a police officer? I think we will need to agree to disagree then. 

I don't believe I said anything remotely like the above

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2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

What does a shopkeeper do when you steal from them? The pass evidence to the police and let them decide what to do with it.

If Barney Rubble wants to chance later being identified and prosecuted for committing what is already a criminal offence I'm not really sure what you want me to say to that tbh.

I would argue, however, that providing false details is clear evidence of a deliberate attempt to evade a fare - an offence which carries a higher penalty than a bog standard penalty fare.

Again, how much of a dick would you feel if you ended up with a criminal record for trying to avoid paying a few quid for the train, and then giving false details.

I’m sure Pitt Street police station will drop everything in order to try and find a guy who’s told a train conductor his name is Barney Rubble, with only a blurred CCTV image to go off, in order to issue a penalty notice. I get the feeling that you hold the crime of giving false details in the same bracket as attempted murder. It’s literally not worth the time or effort to even begin to try and positively identify someone who has given false details for a non-violent crime. 
 

This might come as a shock to you but the crime of giving false details for skipping a train fare isn’t going to rank highly on the list of priorities for the police. I would hope that they have bigger fish to fry tbh. 
 

On your last paragraph, I think the sort of people who regularly dodge train fares are also the exact kind of people who wouldn’t think twice about giving false details, especially to a train conductor who has no means to either confirm or deny that they are who they say they are. 

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6 hours ago, 'WellDel said:

. In response to another poster who stated that the salary for the position was 'wild'.

Higher than the average it may be, but still very firmly in the working class bracket. I don't think earning a wee bit of commission on top of it would quite have them leafing through brochures for a new yacht.. 

Absolutely no chance they are in the "working class" bracket, 33 grand a year is a little over 2 grand a month after tax and NI, take another 150 off for pension and its a flat 2 grand a month net wage, thats not working class ffs

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17 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

Absolutely no chance they are in the "working class" bracket, 33 grand a year is a little over 2 grand a month after tax and NI, take another 150 off for pension and its a flat 2 grand a month net wage, thats not working class ffs

Damned unions, paying the working classes middle class wages, where will it end?!?

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Absolutely no chance they are in the "working class" bracket, 33 grand a year is a little over 2 grand a month after tax and NI, take another 150 off for pension and its a flat 2 grand a month net wage, thats not working class ffs
To be pedantic. It's a 4 weekly pay so technically the monthly pay isn't a comfortable 2K on payday.
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19 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

Absolutely no chance they are in the "working class" bracket, 33 grand a year is a little over 2 grand a month after tax and NI, take another 150 off for pension and its a flat 2 grand a month net wage, thats not working class ffs

On what planet is £500 a week not working class :lol: 
 

I don’t think you know what working class is tbh. Are you going to claim it’s middle class to give us all a laugh?

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20 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said:

On what planet is £500 a week not working class :lol: 
 

I don’t think you know what working class is tbh. Are you going to claim it’s middle class to give us all a laugh?

500 after tax, NI and pensions is working class? a pension that is likely 300 a month minimum put into it, 

Cetainly not working class, if you think 500 is working class (13 quid an hour after deductions) what would you call the nhs staff that are on 12 quid an hour before tax? 

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24 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
43 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:
Absolutely no chance they are in the "working class" bracket, 33 grand a year is a little over 2 grand a month after tax and NI, take another 150 off for pension and its a flat 2 grand a month net wage, thats not working class ffs

To be pedantic. It's a 4 weekly pay so technically the monthly pay isn't a comfortable 2K on payday.

Well yes the monthly pay is still a comfortable 2k in the hand, they are 4 weekly so 13 pays a year is around 1800 after deductions every 4 weeks

Put that into perspective, asda workers are paid 4 weekly, a full time worker for them is around 1200 every 4 weeks after deductions, and their pension contributions are nowhere near what the conductors are

 

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29 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Damned unions, paying the working classes middle class wages, where will it end?!?

Never said it was wrong, just think that describing 500 a week give or take in your hand as working class is a bit shit given theres plenty of workers on way less

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So first we had the bitter folk moaning because train drivers earn more money than them now we have the bitter folk moaning because conductors earn more than them. Also arguing that 34k a year isn't working class is mental.

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1 minute ago, Empty It said:

So first we had the bitter folk moaning because train drivers earn more money than them now we have the bitter folk moaning because conductors earn more than them. Also arguing that 34k a year isn't working class is mental.

Don't recall anyone doing that.  May well have done but if so I've missed it.  What people were moaning about was the union demands when these people are already paid substantially more than others in the public sector who would be more in need of a decent pay-rise but won't be getting one.

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