Tory Election Fraud

[Ira Gaines]

Al666, on 23 May 2016 - 18:13, said:

Ah, more deflection away from the two love rats and the investigation into the dodgy hotel claims.

 

^^^ thick c**t found

[kevthedee]

Ah, more deflection away from the two love rats and the investigation into the dodgy hotel claims.

Its pleasing to see the SNP taking part in the established culture of sleaze/misuse of expenses at westminster,even when sturgeon said before last may's GE-

"The SNP would shake up the westminster establishment"

[invergowrie arab]

Fucking hell red rob and kev having a thick off.

[RedRob72]

Fucking hell red rob and kev having a thick off.

Did Sturgeon use her 'Big Chopper' to travel to support individual local SNP candidates across the country, Yes or No?

If she did, should some of the costs incurred have been attributed to local expenses as per the rules of the electoral commission?

If it's right and proper for the Tories to be held to account in this respect why not the SNP?

They seem to be 3 fairly straightforward questions no?

[strichener]

Did Sturgeon use her 'Big Chopper' to travel to support individual local SNP candidates across the country, Yes or No? No

If she did, should some of the costs incurred have been attributed to local expenses as per the rules of the electoral commission? N/A

If it's right and proper for the Tories to be held to account in this respect why not the SNP? N/A

They seem to be 3 fairly straightforward questions no?

 

Only a fool would think that the national leader of a party that visits 12 constituencies in one day is performing the same work as a bus-load of activists that need overnight accommodation.

[Bishop Briggs]

Did Sturgeon use her 'Big Chopper' to travel to support individual local SNP candidates across the country, Yes or No?

If she did, should some of the costs incurred have been attributed to local expenses as per the rules of the electoral commission?

If it's right and proper for the Tories to be held to account in this respect why not the SNP?

They seem to be 3 fairly straightforward questions no?

 

The big issue for the Tories is not transport but hotel accommodation for activists in marginal constituencies. That was a huge expense, many thousands in each seat.

 

All parties must be he'd to account if they have broken the laws.

[Crossbill]

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/173074/UKPGE-Part-3-Spending-and-donations.pdf

 

Based on the guidance from the election commission, the SNP could reasonably argue that Sturgeons helicopter is covered under campaign spending as she was promoting the party (page 14) rather than individual candidates and that it represents personal expense as it is a hired transport needed as her own transport was not suitable for campaigning, due to needing to travel between many constituencies quicker than could be done by car (pages 9/10).

 

Conversely, there seems very little doubt that some of the Tory expenses are in clear violation of the guidelines (page 8 ).

 

[Bishop Briggs]

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/173074/UKPGE-Part-3-Spending-and-donations.pdf

 

Based on the guidance from the election commission, the SNP could reasonably argue that Sturgeons helicopter is covered under campaign spending as she was promoting the party (page 14) rather than individual candidates and that it represents personal expense as it is a hired transport needed as her own transport was not suitable for campaigning, due to needing to travel between many constituencies quicker than could be done by car (pages 9/10).

 

Conversely, there seems very little doubt that some of the Tory expenses are in clear violation of the guidelines (page 8 ).

 

 

^ That has errors. Labour can't even get the basics right.

 

Cameron's letters to marginal voters is not a local cost if they did not mention the seat or candidate.

 

Paid leaflet delivers are not campaign staff. The cost that should be included is the fee charged by the delivery company, e.g. Royal Mail.

 

The bottom "cloud", free beer and curry, is in the wrong place. Seconded staff are not activists. They should have been included with the battle bus and hotel costs.

[RedRob72]

Only a fool would think that the national leader of a party that visits 12 constituencies in one day is performing the same work as a bus-load of activists that need overnight accommodation.

You don't need overnight accommodation if you can rely on a helicopter to scoot you up to Inverness and back from Edinburgh/Glasgow the same day eh!?

If Sturgeon was supporting the local effort the principle is exactly the same for travel costs however.

I'm not saying the Tories haven't bent the rules here, but you'd think that P&B SNP supporters would make sure they weren't equally as culpable before flinging the mud.

[Crossbill]

The guidance does not state that letters are OK as long as they don't mention the seat or candidate. 

 

Surely if it is a specific targeted mailshot (which they were) then it is a local issue?

[strichener]

You don't need overnight accommodation if you can rely on a helicopter to scoot you up to Inverness and back from Edinburgh/Glasgow the same day eh!?

If Sturgeon was supporting the local effort the principle is exactly the same for travel costs however.

I'm not saying the Tories haven't bent the rules here, but you'd think that P&B SNP supporters would make sure they weren't equally as culpable before flinging the mud.

You don't need overnight accommodation if you are a local volunteer, I assume that you have some point to make on this.

 

According to the EC, the SNP are not equally as culpable, so perhaps your own mud-slinging was a little premature.

 

To me, the rules are far too prescriptive and I would prefer a more holistic approach to campaign spending.  However, they are what they are and they should be adhered to by all parties.

[Bishop Briggs]

The guidance does not state that letters are OK as long as they don't mention the seat or candidate. 

 

Surely if it is a specific targeted mailshot (which they were) then it is a local issue?

 

The EC gives personal guidance to national and local campaign managers if they are in doubt. If the mailshot or leaflet is dealing with national issues, it's a national expense.

 

All the main parties send more national literature to voters in marginal and target seats. There's no point in wasting time and money on safe seats. It's common sense and the EC recognises that.

[invergowrie arab]

Did Sturgeon use her 'Big Chopper' to travel to support individual local SNP candidates across the country, Yes or No?

If she did, should some of the costs incurred have been attributed to local expenses as per the rules of the electoral commission?

If it's right and proper for the Tories to be held to account in this respect why not the SNP?

They seem to be 3 fairly straightforward questions no?

Peter Murrell confirmed electoral commission advice that was then quoted on the same page you posted your pish.

If you had the intellectual stamina to get beyond Masters post you would have saved yourself being lumped in with Dundee's own Juergen Habermass.

[Fide]

RedRob, Kev and Al666 struggling badly here.

 

As usual, in their utter desperation to throw shite at the SNP and hope some sticks, Unionists are all over the place.

 

Desperadoes.

[Antlion]

RedRob, Kev and Al666 struggling badly here.

As usual, in their utter desperation to throw shite at the SNP and hope some sticks, Unionists are all over the place.

Desperadoes.

Attacking the SNP seems to be a crutch for attacking Scotland's national statehood. Funnily enough, it doesn't seem to be the case that criticising Labour or the Tories means that one thinks the UK should not be a nation state.

[RedRob72]

RedRob, Kev and Al666 struggling badly here.

As usual, in their utter desperation to throw shite at the SNP and hope some sticks, Unionists are all over the place.

Desperadoes.

She was electioneering for a local candidate, the same rules apply precious, that's all.

[Al666]

^^^ thick c**t found

Yes you are, as an aside are you one of the team employed at Gordon Lamb House?

I suspect Peter is being as economical with the truth as fat eck was when he said that they'd received legal advice over an I Scotland's membership of the EU

http://order-order.com/2016/05/23/snp-chopper-not-declared-properly/

PS my original post was directed at the fact that despite this being a politics forum, the biggest current political scandal seems to be ignored.

Time you sheep stopped believing and started thinking.

[doulikefish]

Yes you are, as an aside are you one of the team employed at Gordon Lamb House?

I suspect Peter is being as economical with the truth as fat eck was when he said that they'd received legal advice over an I Scotland's membership of the EU

http://order-order.com/2016/05/23/snp-chopper-not-declared-properly/

PS my original post was directed at the fact that despite this being a politics forum, the biggest current political scandal seems to be ignored.

Time you sheep stopped believing and started thinking.

Wibble

[Ad Lib]

The Electoral Commission rules (and interpretations thereof) can be very pedantic and exacting.

When Nick Clegg's battlebus was heading across the UK, he'd emerge at various places basically for photo opps and to gee up activists a bit. As far as I know no activists were moved around any constituencies in the bus, which was full primarily of HQ employees and journalists.

As part of that, a local party would send out a call to everyone in a constituency and neighbouring constituencies to come along and be part of the photoshoot. They'd then use the advantage of the fact they'd incentivised others to come out to ask them to walk to the local candidate's campaign office and collect a leaflet delivery run.

One of the more specific things they were very careful to make sure was that people were holding up placards (the infamous Lib Dem diamond) but that none of them were constituency specific. The issue is that if it was suggested that the leader's appearance were directly and unequivocally endorsing the candidate rather than the party and therefore only incidentally the candidate, it would restrict local campaign expenditure in the regulated period.

[MarkoRaj]

The Electoral Commission rules (and interpretations thereof) can be very pedantic and exacting.

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