General Politics Thread

[Bishop Briggs]

16 hours ago, welshbairn said:

5 years would be cool. Couple of years transition from the UK, copy Ireland's arrangements with borders etc with the rUK including the Common Travel Area, establish an independent currency, Central Bank, the other institutions, adopt any changes to EU rules and Roberto's your uncle. 

The timescale of 5 years is highly optimistic, especially the establishment of a Central bank and independent currency. It's based on the assumption that rUK will agree to copy Ireland's border arrangements. That, given the current problems with EU over the Irish border, is optimistic to say the least. 

The biggest barrier is Scotland's deficit. It was around 7% of GDP, over 7 times that of the UK and leading Eurozone countries, before the Covid crisis. There will be additional significant costs that will be incurred create new institutions (e.g. regulatory bodies) to comply with the acquis and EU laws.

Other big issues will be Scotland's contribution to the EU budget (a 15% reduction in income due to Brexit will need to be addressed) and its share of the Covid debts (UK and EU).

Roberto's your uncle? More likely a distant relative who wants a handout.

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by Bishop Briggs

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

The timescale of 5 years is highly optimistic

What, the Scottish Centre for European Relations report you just quoted admiringly is now not to be trusted? I agree, 3 years should do it.

[Bishop Briggs]

56 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

What, the Scottish Centre for European Relations report you just quoted admiringly is now not to be trusted? I agree, 3 years should do it.

The SCER said 4-5 years was the minimum.  What part of that did you not understand?

[Baxter Parp]

6 hours ago, Glen Sannox said:

Charlotte Square this morning.

One of your classics there, Glen. Must've cost you a pretty penny.

[doulikefish]

Think someone has hacked the tories twitter

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by doulikefish

[Baxter Parp]

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Charlotte Square this morning.

The irony is that is was probably created by Mankyjaiket or one of his pals.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Think someone has hacked the tories twitter
 

What was it?

The post has been removed.

[doulikefish]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

What was it?

The post has been 

Damn sorry no screenshot

Basically says we wamt the herd immunity in scotland 

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said:

The SCER said 4-5 years was the minimum.  What part of that did you not understand?

So about as long as it took the chaotic UK to drag us out?

Edited June 24, 2020 by Antlion

[lichtgilphead]

2 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

The SCER said 4-5 years was the minimum.  What part of that did you not understand?

That's their estimate for the minimum time for full membership of the EU, isn't it? 

So, in your opinion, at the very most, we will have full access to EU embassies in around 5 years time. Accordingly, all we need to do is negotiate access to consular facilities for Scots for that short period.

1) Are you seriously suggesting that rUK will refuse consular facilities to millions of UK passport holders on the day that Scotland votes for independence? A blue UK passport issued today will not expire until June 2030. If rUK refuse to provide services to Scottish holders of these UK passports, wouldn't you expect Scotland to retaliate? Perhaps we could demand that Faslane & Coulport were closed the same day? I would expect Scotland & rUK to negotiate a date when Scottish citizens could no longer avail themselves of rUK consular facilities.

2) Obviously, your implied contention that rUK will retain all national assets also implies that Scotland will inherit no share of the UK national debt. That's handy to know.

3) In the unlikely event that the negotiated date to withdraw rUK consular services is before Scotland becomes an EU member, are you seriously suggesting that the Scottish Government will be incapable of arranging consular facilities through a third party? I'm sure that a significant numbers of large EU countries would allow Scottish passport holders to avail themselves of their consular facilities for a few years if we paid for the service. I believe that arrangements of this type have been successfully used in the past by many countries (including the UK)

[Glen Sannox]

2 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

That's their estimate for the minimum time for full membership of the EU, isn't it? 

So, in your opinion, at the very most, we will have full access to EU embassies in around 5 years time. Accordingly, all we need to do is negotiate access to consular facilities for Scots for that short period.

1) Are you seriously suggesting that rUK will refuse consular facilities to millions of UK passport holders on the day that Scotland votes for independence? A blue UK passport issued today will not expire until June 2030. If rUK refuse to provide services to Scottish holders of these UK passports, wouldn't you expect Scotland to retaliate? Perhaps we could demand that Faslane & Coulport were closed the same day? I would expect Scotland & rUK to negotiate a date when Scottish citizens could no longer avail themselves of rUK consular facilities.

2) Obviously, your implied contention that rUK will retain all national assets also implies that Scotland will inherit no share of the UK national debt. That's handy to know.

3) In the unlikely event that the negotiated date to withdraw rUK consular services is before Scotland becomes an EU member, are you seriously suggesting that the Scottish Government will be incapable of arranging consular facilities through a third party? I'm sure that a significant numbers of large EU countries would allow Scottish passport holders to avail themselves of their consular facilities for a few years if we paid for the service. I believe that arrangements of this type have been successfully used in the past by many countries (including the UK)

Boring, very boring.

[lichtgilphead]

20 minutes ago, Glen Sannox said:

Boring, very boring.

[Dan Steele]

12 hours ago, Glen Sannox said:

Charlotte Square this morning.

Not wanting to split herrs but should it not be frau? It's a ridiculous, puerile, and nonsensical banner anyway.

[Baxter Parp]

44 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

Not wanting to split herrs but should it not be frau? It's a ridiculous, puerile, and nonsensical banner anyway.

They want to compare her to Hitler, not Eva Braun, silly. Girls can't be leaders.

[Wee-Bey]

[Miguel Sanchez]

6 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

What was it?

The post has been removed.

Why should the good people of Scotland have to wait for Nicola Sturgeon to open our country back up?

People don't want to stay inside. They want to drink together, socialise and hug and kiss.

It's the only way our #herdimmunity plan will work

— Scottish Conservatives (@ScotConserv) June 24, 2020

[The_Kincardine]

On 23/06/2020 at 21:36, welshbairn said:

5 years would be cool. Couple of years transition from the UK, copy Ireland's arrangements with borders etc with the rUK including the Common Travel Area, establish an independent currency, Central Bank, the other institutions, adopt any changes to EU rules and Roberto's your uncle. 

It would be but utterly unrealistic as is, "Couple of years transition from the UK"

There isn't a hope in hell that Scotland will be independent and a member of the EU within the next 20 years.

[welshbairn]

14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

It would be but utterly unrealistic as is, "Couple of years transition from the UK"

There isn't a hope in hell that Scotland will be independent and a member of the EU within the next 20 years.

I can guarantee it if the UK stick with their one year EU transition plan.

[The_Kincardine]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I can guarantee it if the UK stick with their one year EU transition plan.

Well you can't - just like IndyScot can't guarantee EU membership.