Fullerene Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 On 10/06/2019 at 00:09, jupe1407 said: Mental as it is, Rockall is part of the Western Isles Council area and comes under the Parish of Harris Pitcairn Island in the middle of the Pacific is regarded as part of Kent. When accusations of sexual predators came about, it was some officers from Kent constabulary who had to out and investigate - and arrest almost every adult male on the island. I suppose it makes a change from shoplifters in Canterbury. On that note, I wonder if there is probably somebody in Tarbert who has to make a routine visit to Rockall to see that nothing criminal is going on. You never know! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 On 6/9/2019 at 09:53, MixuFixit said: This was an interesting thread to read: The Danish Social Democrats won votes from right wing parties. They also lost votes but they went to parties in the Left bloc which resulted in the Left bloc taking power with the SDs as the largest party. More generally it's not sustainable to maintain a welfare state, large scale immigration and EU regulated fiscal austerity. One of the three has to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Greenwald's generating a fair bit of seethe over there. https://twitter.com/hashtag/DeportaGreenwald?src=hash The fact that he and his husband are doing this after their friend was murdered by militias linked to Bolsonaro is incredibly brave. I've recently read 'The Open Veins of Latin America' by Eduardo Galeano. It's extremely depressing. Things could get very ugly, very easily in South America. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Detournement said: More generally it's not sustainable to maintain a welfare state, large scale immigration and EU regulated fiscal austerity. One of the three has to go. You're obviously trolling, but this is drivel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: You're obviously trolling, but this is drivel. How can it be possible to continually reduce spending whilst providing more services? http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/07/10/europe-migrants-and-trade/ Quote According to the most recent ECB (European Central Bank) data the trade surplus of the Euro zone stood at 530 billion Euros in 2017, or almost 5% of the GDP of the Euro zone (11,200 billion Euros) and the trend is the same in 2018. In other words, each time the countries in the Euro zone produce 100 units of goods and services, they only consume and invest 95 in their own country. The gap may seem narrow but, repeated year by year, it is in reality considerable. Never in economic history, or at least never since the existence of trade statistics (that is, since the beginning of the 19th century) have we found evidence of such a huge trade surplus for an economy of this size. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, Detournement said: The fact that he and his husband are doing this after their friend was murdered by militias linked to Bolsonaro is incredibly brave. I've recently read 'The Open Veins of Latin America' by Eduardo Galeano. It's extremely depressing. Things could get very ugly, very easily in South America. Into his football too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Cheers. I'll definitely stick that on my reading list. He's a great writer. That will hopefully be a bit cheerier than reading about centuries of indigenous people being enslaved and worked to death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: How can it be possible to continually reduce spending whilst providing more services? http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/07/10/europe-migrants-and-trade/ We aren't continually reducing spending and I doubt many people think we're providing more services. I've no idea why you think the Piketty quote and link are relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: We aren't continually reducing spending and I doubt many people think we're providing more services. I've no idea why you think the Piketty quote and link are relevant. If you increase the size of the population you need more services, that's obvious surely? If the immigrants have a high birth rate then that is compounded. The Piketty quote is the perfect example of why the EU economy is failing. 5% every year just disappearing out of the Eurozone. No doubt ending up offshore and being invested into lower wage economies. Migrants aren't going to stop coming so it'll either be the welfare state or the fiscal austerity that go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: If you increase the size of the population you need more services, that's obvious surely? If the immigrants have a high birth rate then that is compounded. The Piketty quote is the perfect example of why the EU economy is failing. 5% every year just disappearing out of the Eurozone. No doubt ending up offshore and being invested into lower wage economies. Migrants aren't going to stop coming so it'll either be the welfare state or the fiscal austerity that go. This is racist bollocks. And you're utterly clueless about economics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 We need immigration to service an aging population. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, welshbairn said: We need immigration to service an aging population. You hear that quite a lot but you also hear that workers are going to be put out a job by automation, both points can't be true. The reality is that massive amounts of existing jobs are completely pointless and millions of people are underemployed. The reason why we "need" immigration is to service an economic system based on exploitation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Labour: the party of internationalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Not sure how true it is, but just been reading that Ross Thomson's nickname within the Tory contingent at Westminster is "SNP Gain" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. They made no such pledge of course but don't let facts interfere with your agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. That was the Venstre Party, centre to not so centre right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 They made no such pledge of course but don't let facts interfere with your agenda. Well, they’ve agreed to continue backing a law which allows them to confiscate valuables off asylum seekers with some pretty easily manipulated justification. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/05/centre-left-social-democrats-set-to-win-in-denmark-elections 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. That's not what happened though. Asylum seekers with assets over 10,000 Kroner have to contribute towards their accommodation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Well, they’ve agreed to continue backing a law which allows them to confiscate valuables off asylum seekers with some pretty easily manipulated justification. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/05/centre-left-social-democrats-set-to-win-in-denmark-elections At no point have they taken things from asylum seekers to "distribute it to Danes". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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