The Partick Thistle thread

[jagfox]

"Fan ownership"

[Jamie_M]

[thistledo]

19 hours ago, Pie Of The Month said:

The only remaining option left to me is to stop funding the club until there's meaningful change which at a minimum means Low getting to f**k. No cup games, no purchases of anything from the club and then not renewing my season ticket next season.

Not sure how I'll cope with no longer being a beneficiary of the PTFC Trust right enough.

This was my first thought, although part of me thinks to drive change it may require being a season ticket holder. Wholeheartedly agree in stopping of funding, I haven't bought anything from the club since the season ticket. 

The social media response to the announcement has been pretty negative, so where is this positivity the PTFC Trust claim exists coming from? They claim people can't respond online for fear of a pile on, but I don't buy that for a second that people are afraid to voice their opinion. 

I think fans who wanted actual fan ownership can to take some comfort in the fact that it doesn't look like this will be forgotten about and swept under the carpet. I certainly won't anyway. 

[Pie Of The Month]

1 hour ago, thistledo said:

This was my first thought, although part of me thinks to drive change it may require being a season ticket holder. Wholeheartedly agree in stopping of funding, I haven't bought anything from the club since the season ticket. 

The social media response to the announcement has been pretty negative, so where is this positivity the PTFC Trust claim exists coming from? They claim people can't respond online for fear of a pile on, but I don't buy that for a second that people are afraid to voice their opinion. 

I think fans who wanted actual fan ownership can to take some comfort in the fact that it doesn't look like this will be forgotten about and swept under the carpet. I certainly won't anyway. 

Going by the Trust's statement today it'll take another 2 years of season ticket renewals on top of this one to get to a situation where all 5 of them are gone. I'm understand the logic behind renewing and retaining your right to have a say but I just think I'd rather leave Low and the Trust to it now. They've got what they wanted, they can deal with the mess that's going to inevitably follow as they alienate part of the fanbase when they're already making 6 figure operating losses.

I read today Randle Wilson is another failed Tory candidate like Low, what is it about Tories who can't get elected that attracts them to our boardroom?

[Thistle_do_nicely]

if i sign up for TJF on the £1 a month rate is there a way to do one off donations down the line too? Christmas is coming up and, while im in work, theres been a fair bit of upheaval in my personal life too; theres other (charitable) organisations ill very likely be donating to down the line.

Would like to just nominally put my name down to boost the numbers and then donate more as a one off lump sum down the line but idk how much there'll be, it's a good ways off in any event. I have literally no idea what my final wage before christmas is going to be like either which doesnt help.

Could stretch to the mandatory £1 + a £2 donation a month easy enough for now, my inner scrooge mcduck be damned.

Ill aim to patg on saturday anyway tbh, purely out of morbid curiousity rather than for a good saturday out enjoying the football, means i have an excuse to drink up in the west end afterward and all. Maybe Kelty for the novelty/rubbernecking factor too, havent decided.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Thistle_do_nicely

[Pie Of The Month]

48 minutes ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

if i sign up for TJF on the £1 a month rate is there a way to do one off donations down the line too? Christmas is coming up and, while im in work, theres been a fair bit of upheaval in my personal life too; theres other (charitable) organisations ill very likely be donating to down the line.

Would like to just nominally put my name down to boost the numbers and then donate more as a one off lump sum down the line but idk how much there'll be, it's a good ways off in any event. I have literally no idea what my final wage before christmas is going to be like either which doesnt help.

Could stretch to the mandatory £1 + a £2 donation a month easy enough for now, my inner scrooge mcduck be damned.

Ill aim to patg on saturday anyway tbh, purely out of morbid curiousity rather than for a good saturday out enjoying the football, means i have an excuse to drink up in the west end afterward and all. Maybe Kelty for the novelty/rubbernecking factor too, havent decided.

There's a donation page on their website to do one off donations whenever you like.

[Virtual Insanity]

Yup, you can also sign up on the £1 membership and then set up a separate DD for whatever you'd like to donate monthly on top of that.

[Thistle_do_nicely]

Cheers. Aye, ive signed up, f**k it. Nominal amount for now + nominal donation but ill chip in more down the line as things settle down.

[Ad Lib]

14 hours ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

Cheers. Aye, ive signed up, f**k it. Nominal amount for now + nominal donation but ill chip in more down the line as things settle down.

Thanks for your support Tdn. We really appreciate it.

[oneteaminglasgow]

http://www.ptfctrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/221117_Memorandum-of-Understanding.pdf

The Trust managing to get a whole ONE seat on the board, getting to see the accounts every six months and, as far as this documents says, having no ability to choose who else gets to sit on the board.

Can’t imagine why no other club anywhere has gone with this interpretation of fan ownership. 

[Pie Of The Month]

It was almost better when we heard nothing from them as everything they come out with is a car crash.

[Fuctifano]

Very much a case of the tail* wagging the dog.

I genuinely don't see what the BoD's end game is here, they're not making any money out of it, nor is anyone buying Firhill for what it was valued at, is it to do just enough to prop the club up using 3BC donations until enough folk are voted onto the Trust board who oppose them (in 3+ years time), then hand over control of a fucked business so they can say "look, we told you so"?

*I'm in a good mood otherwise would have used a smellier body part.

 

[Fuctifano]

Also, no idea how legit this is but could be worth a follow

 

[oneteaminglasgow]

12 minutes ago, Fuctifano said:

Very much a case of the tail* wagging the dog.

I genuinely don't see what the BoD's end game is here, they're not making any money out of it, nor is anyone buying Firhill for what it was valued at, is it to do just enough to prop the club up using 3BC donations until enough folk are voted onto the Trust board who oppose them (in 3+ years time), then hand over control of a fucked business so they can say "look, we told you so"?

*I'm in a good mood otherwise would have used a smellier body part.

 

My best guess is that being chairman/on the board of a professional football team is a good ego trip and/or beneficial to their outside business interests. The end game, therefore, is just to hang on as long as possible and maximise that. 

[Nightmare]

11 hours ago, Pie Of The Month said:

It was almost better when we heard nothing from them as everything they come out with is a car crash.

Apparently they’re paying someone to do their PR/communications now as well. And yet it’s still riddy after riddy whenever you see or hear anything from them. Money well spent, lads.

[Ad Lib]

1 hour ago, Nightmare said:

Apparently they’re paying someone to do their PR/communications now as well. And yet it’s still riddy after riddy whenever you see or hear anything from them. Money well spent, lads.

It may or may not have been mentioned to them at the face-to-face meeting that TJF pays zero pounds zero pence for its PR/communications strategy, and it's worked out just fine.

[jagsfan57]

6 hours ago, Ad Lib said:

It may or may not have been mentioned to them at the face-to-face meeting that TJF pays zero pounds zero pence for its PR/communications strategy, and it's worked out just fine.

The communications might be fine but so far the strategy hasn’t yet got the desired end result. Not the time to be cocky.
 

[thisal]

9 hours ago, Nightmare said:

Apparently they’re paying someone to do their PR/communications now as well. And yet it’s still riddy after riddy whenever you see or hear anything from them. Money well spent, lads.

Sounds familiar. Surely not.

[VictorOnopko]

2 hours ago, jagsfan57 said:

The communications might be fine but so far the strategy hasn’t yet got the desired end result. Not the time to be cocky.
 

No one around here who is against what has happened is "cocky" about the current state of play, but it's quite obvious that TJF are honest and transparent communicators, in sharp contrast to the mendacious board and their nodding-dog Jags Trust pals. 

The reason "the strategy hasn't yet got the desired result" is quite simply that the chairman and her acolytes decided not to transfer the club to true fan ownership as they had previously promised, but to construct a sham transfer and stay in power instead. The whole thing was done in very bad faith, and involved refusing to share the club's books. They were probably banking on general indifference among the wider support to get away with it (and timed the transfer for after they had banked the season ticket money, just to be on the safe side, having turned their noses up at the direct financial contribution of nearly 1000 TJF members). 

It's hard to see why - as you seem to think going by this and past posts - the fault somehow lies with TJF and not Low and her pals.  What could/should TJF have done differently, in your view?

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