thisGRAEME Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, welldaft said: I am not so sure it is harsh. Just seen the tweet from Hearts about Craig Gordon. This was a save from a point blank header from Kev. But again it is virtually straight at Gordon. A foot further left or right and it is a goal. Virtually the same as a header v United a week ago straight at the keeper. I am a fan as most of us are and strikers do go through barren patches especially those that play for Motherwell. I would say he was more to blame for draw v United than loss to Hearts, but he fluffed a few good attempts inc a total miss kick in the 1st half. Still the McGinn miss is giving me nightmares. Probably the worst miss I have seen a Fir Park for many a year. And at 1-0 too. Pivotal. Gordon does it every time he plays us and probably everyone else, tbh, so I'm giving him the credit over Kev tbh, just for the body of work. McGinn's was genuinely surreal to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesP_81 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: McGinn's was genuinely surreal to watch I was still celebrating the goal even after seeing it safely in Gordon's arms as my brain was not allowing me to believe that it wasn't in the net ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: I wasn't at either of the United or Hearts games (and I'm not going to watch the highlights of a 3-0 loss to Hearts regardless of how well we apparently played) but is there an argument that KVV isn't really someone we can rely on as a lone striker? It's harsh as f**k given he's our top scorer by miles this season but I wonder if his skillset might be better suited to fashioning chances for someone who's a bit more likely to score the "easy" chances -like Moult. Equally you could say that Tierney, Spittal and Efford etc really need to step up a bit as well. This is something I had kind of wondered as well - especially as we seem to have pivoted to an overt 4231. Essentially could KVV work as the #10? I suppose that's largely dictated by whether Moult can get to a place where he's able to run without being concerned his knees are going to crumble. Actually paying attention to the playback of the full 90 on Saturday it looks more like KVV moved out left and Spittal dropped in to the #10. Here we are set up for a Hearts dead ball: Edited September 20, 2022 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, capt_oats said: This is something I had kind of wondered as well - especially as we seem to have pivoted to an overt 4231. Essentially could KVV work as the #10? I suppose that's largely dictated by whether Moult can get to a place where he's able to run without being concerned his knees are going to crumble. Actually paying attention to the playback of the full 90 on Saturday it looks more like KVV moved out left and Spittal dropped in to the #10. Here we are set up for a Hearts dead ball: Yeah I forgot to mention it in my post, but there's a few ways we could potentially fit both of them in a team, though all of them probably involve a wee bit of a rejig or somebody playing out of their natural position. I thought KVV out left during Watt's purple patch last season worked fairly well but I'm not sure if it would long term, I agree that dropping him back a bit but keeping him central is probably the most likely outcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allroy for Prez Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: I wasn't at either of the United or Hearts games (and I'm not going to watch the highlights of a 3-0 loss to Hearts regardless of how well we apparently played) but is there an argument that KVV isn't really someone we can rely on as a lone striker? It's harsh as f**k given he's our top scorer by miles this season but I wonder if his skillset might be better suited to fashioning chances for someone who's a bit more likely to score the "easy" chances -like Moult. Equally you could say that Tierney, Spittal and Efford etc really need to step up a bit as well. I’ve actually tortured myself a few times watching the highlights and every time I watched it I kept expecting to see it end up in the net. Also, Tierney might have been better playing Efford in instead of taking the shot and Mount should’ve taken the rebound off the bar on his chest and trying to shoot, it was a good height for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, thisGRAEME said: Also, faintly related, a series around parenting will appear at some point. Nothing says podcasters hitting their mid 30s quite like that...... I for one will subscribe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 On the McGinn thing. Should he score? Absolutely. It's not quite the open goal folk are making out though. He still has to beat Gordon who's a big laddie, he can't go near post and tbqh he does the right thing going across him. Still though...fucking hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 50 minutes ago, capt_oats said: On the McGinn thing. Should he score? Absolutely. It's not quite the open goal folk are making out though. He still has to beat Gordon who's a big laddie, he can't go near post and tbqh he does the right thing going across him. Still though...fucking hell. That is a good angle. ALMOST puts a different perspective on it. If you include Gordon’s leg then the angle is narrower than t looked and knowing Gordon he would have saved it if it had not been angled towards back post. Still if that game had gone on for another half hour we would have had a saved penalty, two more goals chalked off for offside and hit the woodwork a further 4 times…… Bottom line is the footballing gods decided we were not scoring on Sunday. Only Celtic away up next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RostokMcSpoons Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 You could make a case for "hitting the inside of the post" as a very likely outcome, given he was trying to play it past the keeper... And watching the replay (agony) again it did all happen pretty fast. An instinctive hit that was a very few inches away from success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Reading all these posts, I wondered if I was thinking of a different miss because I didn’t think McGinns off the post was that bad. There’s probably the verygoodgoalie effect going on where players know they need to be absolutely precise in their placement, and that’s what McGinn has tried to do - Craig Gordon probably does f**k with your head a bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I'd probably just have chipped Gordon or maybe nutmegged him. Why didn't McGinn do that? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: I'd probably just have chipped Gordon or maybe nutmegged him. Why didn't McGinn do that? Surely one of those Rabonas would have put Gordon off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I wasn't at either of the United or Hearts games (and I'm not going to watch the highlights of a 3-0 loss to Hearts regardless of how well we apparently played) but is there an argument that KVV isn't really someone we can rely on as a lone striker? It's harsh as f**k given he's our top scorer by miles this season but I wonder if his skillset might be better suited to fashioning chances for someone who's a bit more likely to score the "easy" chances -like Moult. Equally you could say that Tierney, Spittal and Efford etc really need to step up a bit as well.It's probably worth watching the highlights of the Hearts game just to be astounded by McGinn's miss. I know the photo shows Gordon trying to block it but in real time from behind the goal we couldn't believe it hadn't gone in. There was a dreadful miss by Aberdeen's striker late on against Hibs but I think this eclipsed that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, ropy said: Surely one of those Rabonas would have put Gordon off. Exactly. What are they doing in training? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, MP_MFC said: Nothing says podcasters hitting their mid 30s quite like that...... I for one will subscribe. Oh god aye. We've got a day out somewhere the weekend we play rangers at fir park so I imagine at least someone is going to have to cry off last minute due to childcare. Life, eh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said: 4 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: I wasn't at either of the United or Hearts games (and I'm not going to watch the highlights of a 3-0 loss to Hearts regardless of how well we apparently played) but is there an argument that KVV isn't really someone we can rely on as a lone striker? It's harsh as f**k given he's our top scorer by miles this season but I wonder if his skillset might be better suited to fashioning chances for someone who's a bit more likely to score the "easy" chances -like Moult. Equally you could say that Tierney, Spittal and Efford etc really need to step up a bit as well. It's probably worth watching the highlights of the Hearts game just to be astounded by McGinn's miss. I know the photo shows Gordon trying to block it but in real time from behind the goal we couldn't believe it hadn't gone in. There was a dreadful miss by Aberdeen's striker late on against Hibs but I think this eclipsed that. GIF'd it so @YassinMoutaouakil doesn't have to watch the highlights back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 McGinns other miss was worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I thought McGinn’s miss in the first half was also really bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, capt_oats said: GIF'd it so @YassinMoutaouakil doesn't have to watch the highlights back. Thank you. He should definitely have went for a rabona. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RostokMcSpoons Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said: in real time from behind the goal we couldn't believe it hadn't gone in. It would have looked especially awful behind the goal as there's 7.5 yards of open goal absolutely gaping Even from the tv angle at the time it looked pretty bad, but I think on reflection it was approximately 66.94% good goalkeeping and 33.06% poor finishing. Approximately. Edited September 20, 2022 by RostokMcSpoons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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