sjc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just watched the full fight, thought GGG had it by 2 or 3 rounds like most on here. Would liked to have seen him mix his shots up more as a means to opening Canelo's defence up. Will Canelo fight a different way in the rematch? Can't see him getting that lucky on the cards again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ayrmad Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Looking back at the rerun, I couldn't give GGG more than 7 rounds and I couldn't give Alvarez more than 8 rounds, on original viewing I had it 115-113 for GGG, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, sjc said: Just watched the full fight, thought GGG had it by 2 or 3 rounds like most on here. Would liked to have seen him mix his shots up more as a means to opening Canelo's defence up. Will Canelo fight a different way in the rematch? Can't see him getting that lucky on the cards again. I think that's being unfair on Canelo, he was unfortunate that the judge gave him a couple of rounds that were undeserved, he's in there with the guy that's supposedly going to knock him into next week and gets booed for the size of the gap on one card, I honestly didn't think that GGG landed much in the 1st 6 rounds apart from round 4, Alvarez landed far more good punches in those rounds and showed great defensive skills that don't receive much credit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The 'House' wins! Why did nobody bet 0? When that first scorecard was announced I assumed the corruption i was banking on had materialised. Shocking decision. I had it 8-4 for GGG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: I think that's being unfair on Canelo, he was unfortunate that the judge gave him a couple of rounds that were undeserved, he's in there with the guy that's supposedly going to knock him into next week and gets booed for the size of the gap on one card, I honestly didn't think that GGG landed much in the 1st 6 rounds apart from round 4, Alvarez landed far more good punches in those rounds and showed great defensive skills that don't receive much credit. I wasn't slagging off Canelo as I like him as a boxer. I just don't think he was busy enough. Your point about GGG not landing much himself is why I stated I wanted him to mix his shots up more i.e body shots and uppercuts. I agree Canelo showed great defensive skills but that should't be enough to win the fight imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, sjc said: I wasn't slagging off Canelo as I like him as a boxer. I just don't think he was busy enough. Your point about GGG not landing much himself is why I stated I wanted him to mix his shots up more i.e body shots and uppercuts. I agree Canelo showed great defensive skills but that should't be enough to win the fight imo. I've already stated that he wasn't busy enough in some of the early rounds but I can understand him thinking he won them, he was making GGG miss with the vast majority and he was landing the better quality punches in most of those rounds, he should have made sure of the rounds when they were cheap to get. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Quote The Times Ron Lewis Twitter:- Don Trella scored round 7 (one of only 2 Byrd gave to GGG) to Canelo. If he had copied Byrd, GGG wins. Seven probably best GGG round. #perplexing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, kiddy said: #perplexing Almost everytime I've got a look at the cards a judge gives a round to the clear loser of that round, It cost Lewis victory against Holyfield among others. I really don't understand why judges aren't carpeted when they've quite clearly given a round to the wrong boxer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I had GGG winning 116-112. I had Canelo winning 1,2,10 (generous) and 11. Rounds 8 and 9 were closeish so I don't think calling it a draw was corruption but Byrd's scorecard was disgusting. HBO are in on it as well, that arrogant scumbag Kellerman was trying to con the public by pretending the decision was fair. The crowd know what they witnessed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just rewatched it with fresh, non-exhausted eyes, first and foremost it was a fucking brilliant fight, phenomenal stuff. Two tremendous, world class boxers, two of the absolute elite, with unbelievable chins and dovetailing skill sets. Would be absolutely delighted to see a 3/5 fight series between the two Pac/Marquez esque. However, still just cannot make a case for anything other than a GGG win there. Still had it by three, with Canelo taking 1, 2, 11 and 12 (maybe slightly generous) and a share of 10 (couldn't split them, sensational round), but just not doing enough to take any of the rest of them as although he probably did the flashier work, he couldn't physically sustain it as the pace GGG was forcing was just too high for him. Golovkin's jab was outstanding from the 3rd onwards as well, he pressured and stalked constantly, and he may have the best chin in boxing. The uppercut in the 8th and right hook in the 9th might have killed most folk, let alone knocked them down...he didn't even budge. Incredible. Someone said above that the judge that scored the draw gave the 7th to Canelo? That's almost as bad as the 118-110 in itself. It was the clearest round of the fight by fucking miles for GGG. There really does need to be a mechanism put in place whereby judges are scrutinised publicly, if not sanctioned for shite like Bryd's card too. It's obviously subjective, but that's outrageous and really does need to be looked in to as not only does it open up the sport to ridicule, but corruption allegations too, which does nobody any good. She should never be near a ring again. I normally really like Max Kellerman as he generally isn't afraid to ask the uncomfortable questions of fighters, but i thought it was clear he'd been told not to mention the cards by his producers which is shite on the part of HBO and him for accepting it, a largely Mexican crowd booing Canelo during his first question said it all. A good night of boxing and sensational fight, but still left with a bad taste in the mouth and overshadowed by shambolic judging. Classic big time boxing. Looking forward to the rematch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The only fighter you could make a case for an 118-110 card is GGG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: The only fighter you could make a case for an 118-110 card is GGG. Nah, that was not a 118-110 fight in a million years regardless of how you scored it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Could see it 7 rounds to 5 or 8 rounds to 4 for GGG. Either way he won. The draw card wasn't terrible but for fucks sake what was that 118-110 about? That card should be expunged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Only rounds 1,2,10,11, and 12 did at least 2 of the judges give to Canelo which means at least 2 of the 3 gave GGG 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 112-115 would have been a fair result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Prince Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Moretti's card is how I likely would've scored it tbh. Potentially giving GGG the 10th. Honestly gobsmacked at the 118-110 for Canelo though, that makes a bigger mockery of the sport than McGregor/Mayweather did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Only rounds 1,2,10,11, and 12 did at least 2 of the judges give to Canelo which means at least 2 of the 3 gave GGG 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 112-115 would have been a fair result. I think they should look into a new version of their scoring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkneil Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just seen the Teddy Atlas clip, absolutely beelin' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburgh phil Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Atlas complete heads gone there.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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