Clown Job Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, AJF said: We will also have no travelling support at the return fixture so I’m not sure what your point is exactly. The game was moved due to police resourcing, as confirmed by UEFA. Why is the game not being played closed doors is resourcing was the issue? How many police are needed for a small group of Napoli fans? It absolutely benefits you not having away fans at Ibrox in a game you probably need to pick something up from, whereas your away game in Naples was already written off as a loss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Why is the game not being played closed doors is resourcing was the issue? How many police are needed for a small group of Napoli fans? It absolutely benefits you not having away fans at Ibrox in a game you probably need to pick something up from, whereas your away game in Naples was already written off as a loss. Because there will be next to no police resource required if there are no opposing fans to segregate. I have no idea Of course it does for this match, but away fan attendance in the Champions League is dictated by UEFA, not the host club. Their rules state a minimum of 5% stadium capacity must be offered to away fans. Rangers would not have the power to simply exclude away fans just because they felt like it. Edited September 12, 2022 by AJF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It’s not the first time they’ve wanted to exclude fans to benefit themselves Looks like they’re trying to take full advantage of the situation again. Good thing Celtic and Rangers weren't hand-in-hand denying fans the opportunity to watch their team last season, eh? Otherwise you'd look really daft right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylangt7 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It genuinely looks that the Scottish and English Police forces are struggling for resources this week, looks like the Arsenal V PSV games has the same issue. If they are expecting 100k + (weirdos with too much time on their hands) in Edinburgh and 1m + in London then it is what it is. Its an extra-ordinary one off event and we cant really expect them to be everywhere. Although I would suggest they draft the Army in as "police" at Ibrox just as a social experiment.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 11/09/2022 at 13:09, bennett said: Aye that's harsh on fans of both clubs who've booked travel and rooms for the game. 17 hours ago, Sortmeout said: What about the Napoli fans they are suffering too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 "There will be next to no police resource required if there are no opposition fans." Good one. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 hours ago, AJF said: Because there will be next to no police resource required if there are no opposing fans to segregate. I have no idea Of course it does for this match, but away fan attendance in the Champions League is dictated by UEFA, not the host club. Their rules state a minimum of 5% stadium capacity must be offered to away fans. Rangers would not have the power to simply exclude away fans just because they felt like it. Did you type that with a straight face? Seriously, your fans is practically the only reason anyone needs a police presence at football games in Scotland. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: "There will be next to no police resource required if there are no opposition fans." Good one. Just what I was thinking, they obviously didn't see the state of the mutants when celebrating never mind defeat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: "There will be next to no police resource required if there are no opposition fans." Good one. Use my full quote rather than adapt it to suit your narrative. And tag me next time. 34 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Did you type that with a straight face? Seriously, your fans is practically the only reason anyone needs a police presence at football games in Scotland. Of course. If there are no away fans then there will be no segregation required which is the main reason a police presence is needed at football matches. The false equivalence of the crowd trouble at George Square is simply that, a false equivalence. Edited September 12, 2022 by AJF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, AJF said: Use my full quote rather than adapt it to suit your narrative. And tag me next time. Of course. If there are no away fans then there will be no segregation required which is the main reason a police presence is needed at football matches. The false equivalence of the crowd trouble at George Square is simply that, a false equivalence. Police Scotland are not in the business of stewarding private commercial events. They are they to detect and prevent crime, and help to ensure the safety of the public. A list of possible activities the likelihood of which will not be reduced to zero by increasing the composition of the support to 100% bears. I edited your post to save your embarrassment from thinking the police are only there to manage segregation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 hours ago, AJF said: There’s a statement from UEFA explaining why this has had to happen literally half a dozen posts before yours yet you still overlook it to paint it as a Rangers “big bad Rangers excluding fans” nonsense. It's akin to banging your head against a very hard, solid object when you reply to him/her/they. I'm so stupid that I do it all the time though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Police Scotland are not in the business of stewarding private commercial events. They are they to detect and prevent crime, and help to ensure the safety of the public. A list of possible activities the likelihood of which will not be reduced to zero by increasing the composition of the support to 100% bears. I edited your post to save your embarrassment from thinking the police are only there to manage segregation. Come on mate, I was answering a question as to why the game wasn't being played behind closed doors if police resource was the issue. If you don't agree that the police presence required will be vastly reduced in the absence of an away support, then we will just need to agree to disagree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, AJF said: Come on mate, I was answering a question as to why the game wasn't being played behind closed doors if police resource was the issue. If you don't agree that the police presence required will be vastly reduced in the absence of an away support, then we will just need to agree to disagree. And I don't believe an all bear support would have anything other than a negligible impact on the police resource required. Personally and on observable form, I'd increase it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbix Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: And I don't believe an all bear support would have anything other than a negligible impact on the police resource required. Personally and on observable form, I'd increase it. The Times report that it would reduce the amount of police required by 90%, so maybe argue with them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: And I don't believe an all bear support would have anything other than a negligible impact on the police resource required. Personally and on observable form, I'd increase it. I think you're trying too hard now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Orbix said: The Times report that it would reduce the amount of police required by 90%, so maybe argue with them? If only it wasn't so easy for me to reach back into the distant and hazy mists of 2020 to see your mob fighting each other, then the police and then shiting themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbix Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: If only it wasn't so easy for me to reach back into the distant and hazy mists of 2020 to see your mob fighting each other, then the police and then shiting themselves. I thought we’d established that those were Chelsea fans on holiday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbix Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Can get to f**k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Orbix said: Can get to f**k Hopefully just loud boos instead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, Orbix said: Can get to f**k UEFA to void all games where the CL anthem is not played and award the visiting team the game. Please let it happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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