Grangemouth Bairn Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, G51 said: I’m suggesting it’s an issue with people not really understanding how often penalties are scored It’s maybe just down to, that due to their recent record in the cups, St Johnstone players dealt with the expectation better ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said: It’s maybe just down to, that due to their recent record in the cups, St Johnstone players dealt with the expectation better ?? Well I suppose if any fan could identify a team of underachievers it would be a Falkirk fan... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: Well I suppose if any fan could identify a team of underachievers it would be a Falkirk fan... They're doing well to keep pace with Cove, tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, Mr. Alli said: They're doing well to keep pace with Cove, tbh. Tough league to get out of that. Montrose are looking a bit tasty as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, G51 said: Well I suppose if any fan could identify a team of underachievers it would be a Falkirk fan... You are not wrong there pal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: They're doing well to keep pace with Cove, tbh. Cove are fucking garbage which tells you all you need to know about us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I know some of my fellow fans are upset about the cup exit. To them I say: Let's just smile through the rain, Through the heartache and pain, Hold The Line! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spBilBPsX5Y 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, G51 said: It’s clearly not a mentality issue. Mentality issues among professional footballers are extremely rare and would likely result in players being unable to succeed as professional footballers. Every study ever conducted has found that “bottle” simply doesn’t exist in football. It’s pseudoscience. Its also very funny to use Man City as an example of a team that prioritise the cups. Man City of course have famously underachieved in Europe and its well known that the CL is the trophy they’ve been after for years. They’ve also treated the cups with such respect that Ederson hasn’t played a single minute in one this year. Cups are fine and it’s nice to win them, but if you don’t and you win the league then they simply don’t matter. Our 07/08 quadruple season is regarded as ending in failure and we won both cups. This season was the league title that mattered the most, the generational title that will be talked about for years. Celtics team of proven winners completely crumbled and Rangers are yet to be beaten. How’s that for the mentality narrative? You believe what you want to chief and keep telling yourself that a 1 from 9 return is good enough, ffs Deila won 3 from 6 and that wasn’t good enough The cups for Celtic and Rangers aren’t a nice to have nor should they be and your manager seems to also agree with that sentiment. Pep has always rotated his goalkeepers in domestic cup competitions at all of his clubs where he has had the opportunity to however when you dominate 70-75% possession it’s a luxury he can often afford to. What I do find funny is that you are accusing the single most competitive and driven club manager of this generation of treating a cup competition with dis-respect despite winning it 4 times in a row and he’s looking pretty well positioned to address the Champions League this season. Hype this title up but as great as Rangers have been in the league it doesn’t deflect from their failure in the cups because that’s what it is...failure. Celtic have failed on every metric this season and deserve any criticism coming their way and if you don’t believe mentality plays a part just look at the volume of goals we have conceded from set pieces. These players will have been drilled time and time again yet they go onto a park that scared of making a mistake or conceding from a set piece that they inevitably do, their confidence is shot to shit and that self belief that was once there has gone and that is like it or not a mental issue with these players. Oh and Rangers have been beaten....twice it’s as if they genuinely don’t have the belief they can win one of these cups and even though you might not care I’m sure the players and Gerrard do Edited April 27, 2021 by Jinky67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jinky67 said: It’s absolutely a mentality issue. Performance in the cup competitions should tell them that and why anyone making comparisons to Brendan Rodgers team are significantly wide of the mark. Big pressure moments particularly in domestic knockout competitions there seems to be something that stops them progressing. In Europe they do better but is that because the weight of expectation on the players is less? I’ve seen comments made about how the league is priority and cups come 2nd to Europe. That’s a small club mindset and successful and dominant teams just want to win and when they don’t they care, they care a lot. Just look at Peps City, to many they see the Carabao as the diddy cup to him it’s a meaningful trophy which helps their players retain that winning mentality and why he takes it seriously. Yes Rangers have won the league at a canter but it’s still 1 trophy out of 9 so when they hysteria dies down after trophy day and they reflect back is just the 1 trophy good enough? Look at what Gerrard inherited to where he has Rangers now . How his time can be regarded as anything other than a success and solid rebuilding job is desperate bluster from Celtic fans . the cup issue is a concern and frustrating but as was our league consistency last season and he worked and sorted that out so will give him the benefit of the doubt to review our cup form and hopefully improve it next season. The actual reality is Gerrard has turned us from a team consistently finishing 3rd and knocked out a European 1st round qualifier to champions , Europa league last 16 regulars and regularly beating Celtic instead of getting gubbed regularly in the space of 3 years. I have no doubt further trophies will come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Look at what Gerrard inherited to where he has Rangers now Yip,Still the same problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, wastecoatwilly said: Yip,Still the same problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: You believe what you want to chief and keep telling yourself that a 1 from 9 return is good enough, ffs Deila won 3 from 6 and that wasn’t good enough The cups for Celtic and Rangers aren’t a nice to have nor should they be and your manager seems to also agree with that sentiment. Pep has always rotated his goalkeepers in domestic cup competitions at all of his clubs where he has had the opportunity to however when you dominate 70-75% possession it’s a luxury he can often afford to. What I do find funny is that you are accusing the single most competitive and driven club manager of this generation of treating a cup competition with dis-respect despite winning it 4 times in a row and he’s looking pretty well positioned to address the Champions League this season. Hype this title up but as great as Rangers have been in the league it doesn’t deflect from their failure in the cups because that’s what it is...failure. Celtic have failed on every metric this season and deserve any criticism coming their way and if you don’t believe mentality plays a part just look at the volume of goals we have conceded from set pieces. These players will have been drilled time and time again yet they go onto a park that scared of making a mistake or conceding from a set piece that they inevitably do, their confidence is shot to shit and that self belief that was once there has gone and that is like it or not a mental issue with these players. Oh and Rangers have been beaten....twice it’s as if they genuinely don’t have the belief they can win one of these cups and even though you might not care I’m sure the players and Gerrard do A 1 from 9 return is perfectly fine when you're going through an enormous rebuild and that trophy is the League Championship that Celtic were singing about winning since 2012. Celtic fans should probably re-calibrate expectations given that they're about to enter their very own rebuild, it's nearly May and we still have no idea who will be leading that process. If Gerrard only wins 1 of the next 3 League Championships, then that would be a problem because the rebuild is complete, so the expectations are different. It's not just rotating the keepers - Man City rotate all their key players for cup competitions. De Bruyne has only played 60% of LC minutes and 23%(!) of FAC minutes. Rodri has played 51% in both. Ruben Dias is 55% in FAC and 75% in LC. These competitions simply aren't priorities for big clubs, that's reflected in their squad rotation, and nobody gets judged for not winning them. It's laughable to claim that these competitions are considered more important to clubs than Europe, which can literally make or break a teams budget each year. Celtic don't lose goals from set pieces because of "mentality", that's probably the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. They lose goals from set pieces because they are a small team that are badly organised, are easily physically dominated and have no set piece routines. I've no doubt both the players and the staff would like to win a cup. If they don't do it, no one will care as long as they keep winning League Championships and continue going deep into Europe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Rangers must be the only club ever to win their title as early as March with a twenty point lead and get criticised for it it we won the league because we were consistent . the fact Celtic were utter dung in the process was fucking hilarious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Rangers must be the only club ever to win their title as early as March with a twenty point lead and get criticised for it it we won the league because we were consistent . the fact Celtic were utter dung in the process was fucking hilarious. Consistency will always win the league but the best team will always win trebles. Edited April 27, 2021 by wastecoatwilly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, G51 said: Tough league to get out of that. Montrose are looking a bit tasty as well. That post has given more coverage to Montrose than all written and aural media over the past 4 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, wastecoatwilly said: Consistency will always win the leagues but the best team will always win trebles. Remind me was that Socrates or Plato who once said that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 If no team wins a treble, then all teams are equally good that year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Remind me was that Socrates or Plato who once said that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Celtic fans must have been gutted at only winning the league in 2008 . Or 2002 . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Before boring you to death about how their 2002-2003 season was actually better than Rangers treble winning season because they made a European final . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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