AmericanFan Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Moomintroll said: All I can see there is Dean Stockwell checking ziggy to find out what Rangers Internation is, because Scott Bakula just asked him to. RIP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Rangers are interested in signing Leeds United winger Crysencio Summerville on loan. (Daily Mail) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goomba Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 On 17/12/2021 at 19:56, Squonk said: Congratulations. Apart from the fact that Rangers weren't "flung down the leagues," nor did they manage "to stay the same club," you got the rest of that sentence spot on. Charles Green applied to have his new club play in the SFL, having previously applied and failed to join the SPL, and eventually had his wish granted thanks to a vote by the other SFL clubs. A court of law has already determined that Rangers were not relegated/demoted (Albert Kinloch versus Coral bookmakers case) and the only other way they could've conceivably been "flung down the leagues" as you suggest, would've involved the league management committee convening a disciplinary meeting whose outcome punished them with a three-tier demotion, similar to the two-tier demotion dished out to Livingston two or three years earlier. No such disciplinary meeting ever took place, confirming Rangers were never relegated, demoted, illegally put down or flung down the leagues, no matter how many times you want to re-write history to suit your narrative. Many Scottish football clubs have become insolvent in the past, from Third Lanark in the 1960s right up to Hearts and Dunfermline more recently. There are only two ways in which a Scottish football club can survive insolvency; either by having the club bought out of administration, a method that involves the purchaser paying off existing debts (prohibitive multi-million pound debts in Rangers case), or by the club in administration reaching a pennies-in-the-pound agreement with its creditors. The latter method, involving successfully obtaining a CVA, is how Hearts, Dunfermline, Motherwell, Dundee and a host of other clubs survived insolvency as the same club. None of them went into liquidation as Rangers did. All of those clubs were businesses and companies, just like Rangers, but unlike Rangers, none of the other three clubs that went into liquidation (Third Lanark, Airdrieonians & Gretna) were of sufficient size to affect broadcasting and other important commercial contracts. Gretna 2008 play in front of the same fans at the same stadium and in the same colours as the defunct Gretna FC, but are categorically not the same club. What followed Rangers’ failure to exit administration will one day be made into a film or play, whether under the genre of farce or comedy. As soon as the CVA failed, the administrators, Duff & Phelps, and the Scottish football authorities conspired and contrived to paint the death by liquidation of Rangers as if a new owner had simply taken over the club, knowing that even the most deluded 500 million supporters in the universe would never follow follow a brand new club with neither a title or trophy to its name. The administrators’ initial description of “the purchase of the business and assets” morphed through necessity into “the purchase of the club” in order to get those fans onboard, while creative supposed journalists invented terms like 'engine room subsidiary' and 'holding company' when referencing a club they'd universally declared as simply dead. All of this because the football authorities had drafted the secretive five way agreement, whereby all the signatories were sworn to silence by non-disclosure agreements, in which a legal contract was signed which agreed to treat the new club as if it was the old defunct one. There is a world of difference between being treated as the same club and actually being it! Why was it necessary to draft a secret agreement in Rangers' case, when no other club's insolvency had required such a contract? What was it that made it unsuitable for public consumption? Well, we all know the answer to that, don't we? If the engine of my trusty motor suffers terminal mechanical failure, I might be fortunate enough to purchase an identical model of car in the exact same colour. I can even transfer the vehicle registration number over. It will not make it the same car as the one that died, however much I treat it as if it is. It is purely down to financial expediency that the current club playing out of Ibrox is being treated as if it was the club that died such an ignominious and self-inflicted death, all of it facilitated by a corrupt cabal of deceitful football authorities mired in vested interest and backed by all the other clubs in an embarrassing display of self-interest and self-preservation. TL/DR but will try to find the time later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goomba Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 On 01/01/2022 at 07:29, hearthammer said: Gretna Football Club 2008 (commonly referred to as Gretna 2008 and colloquially as Gretna) is a football club from the town of Gretna. It was founded in 2008 after the bankruptcy and demise of Gretna, which had existed since 1946. Gretna 2008 is not a direct continuation of the old club, being under a completely different management and set-up;[2] the club trades under the name Gretna FC 2008 Ltd to avoid confusion with the old Gretna. Happy 10th anniversary in 2022 to the followers of The Rangers International Football Club PLC RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC Company number SC437060 Follow this company File for this company CompanyOverviewfor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Filing historyfor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Peoplefor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Morefor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Registered office address Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow, G51 2XD Company status Active Company type Public limited Company Incorporated on 16 November 2012 Football fans don't follow companies, they follow clubs. Tough luck! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goomba said: Football fans don't follow companies, they follow clubs. Tough luck! Yet the signage on the iconic gates at Ibrox reads 'Rangers Football Club Ltd.' Any sane agenda-free person would have to question why there's reference to a.....ahem...... meaningless expendable operating company....cough.... when, as you say, fans follow clubs. It's almost as if the club became a company when it incorporated in 1899. Tough luck! Edited January 2, 2022 by Squonk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 50 minutes ago, Squonk said: Yet the signage on the iconic gates at Ibrox reads 'Rangers Football Club Ltd.' Any sane agenda-free person would have to question why there's reference to a.....ahem...... meaningless expendable operating company....cough.... when, as you say, fans follow clubs. It's almost as if the club became a company when it incorporated in 1899. Tough luck! it’s a bank holiday mate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Squonk said: Yet the signage on the iconic gates at Ibrox reads 'Rangers Football Club Ltd.' Any sane agenda-free person would have to question why there's reference to a.....ahem...... meaningless expendable operating company....cough.... when, as you say, fans follow clubs. It's almost as if the club became a company when it incorporated in 1899. Tough luck! You've done it, you've finally proved that Rangers are a new club. Your next step should be to phone radio clyde and inform auld shug of this damming information. You'll become Scottish football's greatest ever hero. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, bennett said: You've done it, you've finally proved that Rangers are a new club. Glad we got that sorted. I must admit I expected a bit more of a fight, but I suppose I should've known how easy you'd give up, considering how you all sat back and let your club die. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Squonk said: Glad we got that sorted. I must admit I expected a bit more of a fight, but I suppose I should've known how easy you'd give up, considering how you all sat back and let your club die. Proudest moment of my life when uncle Charlie founded us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, bennett said: Proudest moment of my life when uncle Charlie founded us. I can only imagine. Charles Of Normandy's purchase of a basket of distressed assets must rank alongside being duped by David Murray, Craig Whyte and Dave King as enduring highlights in the short history of Scotland's youngest senior football club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 On 31/12/2021 at 15:31, 54_and_counting said: Then its absolutely pointless having a league board and a ceo earning close to half a mill a year, when the bests interests of the overall league are put second to each clubs best interests The fixtures were done before the season started, the league had a short timeframe due to international calendars, but now clubs with their own selfish interests (mine included) have potentially fucked the league, all it takes is a weather wipeout of even one weekend and midweek fixture calendar and the league is struggling to finish Not to mention that fixtures that were supposed to be played pre window will now be played with potentially different players from who was available pre break Imagine st johnstone sign a couple of players next week, and these players contribute and they win the two rearranged games and stay up by say 3 points, not exactly fair is it? What about games that are moved due to match postponements? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) On 01/01/2022 at 07:29, hearthammer said: Gretna Football Club 2008 (commonly referred to as Gretna 2008 and colloquially as Gretna) is a football club from the town of Gretna. It was founded in 2008 after the bankruptcy and demise of Gretna, which had existed since 1946. Gretna 2008 is not a direct continuation of the old club, being under a completely different management and set-up;[2] the club trades under the name Gretna FC 2008 Ltd to avoid confusion with the old Gretna. Happy 10th anniversary in 2022 to the followers of The Rangers International Football Club PLC RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC Company number SC437060 Follow this company File for this company CompanyOverviewfor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Filing historyfor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Peoplefor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Morefor RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC (SC437060) Registered office address Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow, G51 2XD Company status Active Company type Public limited Company Incorporated on 16 November 2012 Some fine sevcoing for a New year morning at half past 7 clear dedication to the cause Edited January 2, 2022 by Forever_blueco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, bennett said: You've done it, you've finally proved that Rangers are a new club. Your next step should be to phone radio clyde and inform auld shug of this damming information. You'll become Scottish football's greatest ever hero. All this time and the answer was staring us straight in the face just wonder what other great unsolved mysteries are lying out there just waiting for a clear mastermind like @Squonk to put his skills to the test and unravel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: All this time and the answer was staring us straight in the face just wonder what other great unsolved mysteries are lying out there just waiting for a clear mastermind like @Squonk to put his skills to the test and unravel The death of Rangers was never a mystery. You just can't accept the truth, because the truth hurts. Denial is one of the stages of grief. You'll eventually get over it. Edited January 2, 2022 by Squonk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Squonk said: The death of Rangers was never a mystery. You just can't accept the truth, because the truth hurts. Denial is one of the stages of grief. You'll eventually get over it. Thanks for your concern mate means a great deal xx happy new year 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 hours ago, AJF said: Horrible day in Glasgow in every respect - from the weather to what happened on stairway 13 - and I've shed a wee tear each year since. I was 11 and had never really known or appreciated public tragedy so personally before. I didn't appreciate it at the time but, looking back at archived new reports etc, one has to give credit to Jock Stein for working tirelessly to try and help injured people. He showed that basic humanity transcends petty rivalry and he will always have my respect. The only silver lining in a dreadful cloud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Merkland Red said: What about games that are moved due to match postponements? Weather and other things outwith clubs control is one thing, the clubs literally chose to postpone two games simply because it suited them and f**k all to do with the fans as they all spouted, The league board should have told them to f**k off as the fixtures are already tight enough as it is, now there is no room for error but hey, its for the fans anyway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said: Weather and other things outwith clubs control is one thing, the clubs literally chose to postpone two games simply because it suited them and f**k all to do with the fans as they all spouted, The league board should have told them to f**k off as the fixtures are already tight enough as it is, now there is no room for error but hey, its for the fans anyway Hysterical nonsense. It's well known that teams have done the bare minimum required to try and ensure a call off in the past. I remember a team that died had the league fixtures moved to suit them as they had done fantastic in Europe. They then complained that they weren't extended further. The only team this suited was their own yet fans of that club still moan about it when given the chance at our work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said: Weather and other things outwith clubs control is one thing, the clubs literally chose to postpone two games simply because it suited them and f**k all to do with the fans as they all spouted, The league board should have told them to f**k off as the fixtures are already tight enough as it is, now there is no room for error but hey, its for the fans anyway The fact we have adults capable of intelligent thought actually buying this narrative is truly mind blowing Edited January 2, 2022 by Jinky67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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