wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Who are the five? You no longer get exceptions. The mid 50s didn't happen 80 years ago. Why ask a question you already know,Spain,England,Germany,Portugal and the Dutch. You could say the top 3 in recent history but the point still stands only a handful can win it that hasn't changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Why ask a question you already know,Spain,England,Germany,Portugal and the Dutch. You could say the top 3 in recent history but the point still stands only a handful can win it that hasn't changed. No Italy? You post such shit Mate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, RussellAnderson said: I dont understand how someone can be so principled about this, one side or the other. Long ago I decided it was better for my blood pressure to simply enjoy the outcome of scots in europe, whatever it was. Old Firm b*****ds win - coefficient points, better for Aberdeen to qualify later, Scotland appearing a stronger league, able to sell our players or TV rights for a little bit more cash, distracts them from domestic cups. Old Firm b*****ds lose - funny, keeps money away from them, more likely to instigate some instability in their ranks, funny, means their supporters are less happy than they were, and its very very funny. UEFA and European competition is broken beyond repair yeah, so if Aberdeen get knocked out I can blame that! But if we get thru, its class! We have upset the odds in a system designed for us to fail! Some folk need to lighten up. The co-efficient bean counters at least offer a valuable service for those that its relevant to. I thank them for it. There was a time when Aberdeen could and did win League Titles you know - you've probably heard. Feel free to applaud one of the main factors in such an era departing forever if it pleases you though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: There was a time when Aberdeen could and did win League Titles you know - you've probably heard. Feel free to applaud one of the main factors in such an era departing forever if it pleases you though. I wouldn't call the CL a main factor in the OF duopoly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: No Italy? You post such shit Mate. If you add France that makes the 7 countries just above Scotland in the coefficient table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: If you add France that makes the 7 countries just above Scotland in the coefficient table. Once more, utterly irrelevant. Your 'point' about the same 5 countries (to which Italy somehow doesn't belong) dominating throughout the life of the top European club competition, could scarcely be sillier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: I wouldn't call the CL a main factor in the OF duopoly. No, you probably wouldn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Once more, utterly irrelevant. Your 'point' about the same 5 countries (to which Italy somehow doesn't belong) dominating throughout the life of the top European club competition, could scarcely be sillier. You ask a silly question you get a silly answer Monkey,are you saying 5 countries haven't dominated the top competition? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: You ask a silly question you get a silly answer Monkey,are you saying 5 countries haven't dominated the top competition? Throughout its history? A 5 that doesn't include Italy? That'll be a no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Throughout its history? A 5 that doesn't include Italy? That'll be a no. 5 countries that include Italy would be a yes. The fact remains it hasn't changed since it started. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: No, you probably wouldn't. The rot doesn't quite set in with the Premier Division. It's once the gate sharing model gets scrapped in the early 80s that compounds the problem of only have a 10 team top flight. The rise of corporate sponsorship. Aberdeen are not only the last team outwith the OF to win a title. They were the last to do so without a shirt sponsor. The ground improvements of Ibrox and Parkhead that would see them get 3-4 times the average attendance of the 3rd biggest club. Ending of the 3 foreigner rule and Bosman era. TV money and the unequal distribution of centralised funds. That would lead to the SPL and the 11-1 voting structure that hangs over any significant changes to the organisation of club football in the country. Celtic wouldn't play a group stage game in the CL where the real money is until 2001-02. The damage was aleady done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: The ground improvements of Ibrox and Parkhead that would see them get 3-4 times the average attendance of the 3rd biggest club. With the Dons getting their act together now just shows how far behind the times they were even with the success they had in the eighties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: The rot doesn't quite set in with the Premier Division. It's once the gate sharing model gets scrapped in the early 80s that compounds the problem of only have a 10 team top flight. The rise of corporate sponsorship. Aberdeen are not only the last team outwith the OF to win a title. They were the last to do so without a shirt sponsor. The ground improvements of Ibrox and Parkhead that would see them get 3-4 times the average attendance of the 3rd biggest club. Ending of the 3 foreigner rule and Bosman era. TV money and the unequal distribution of centralised funds. That would lead to the SPL and the 11-1 voting structure that hangs over any significant changes to the organisation of club football in the country. Celtic wouldn't play a group stage game in the CL where the real money is until 2001-02. The damage was aleady done. "A main factor" allows room for others. The chance the OF clubs have had to net £20m+ for a couple of decades, something they've often done, can't possibly be dismissed as an insignificant feature in the disparity in resources, when we're being told that even now, Aberdeen's entire turnover amounts to around £14m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 hour ago, wastecoatwilly said: 5 countries that include Italy would be a yes. The fact remains it hasn't changed since it started. It's absolutely changed, which is why Dutch, Portugese, Romanian, Serbian, Hell even Scottish sides, don't win it anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: It's absolutely changed, which is why Dutch, Portugese, Romanian, Serbian, Hell even Scottish sides, don't win it anymore. Think it was the old Yugoslavia since you like to be pedantic,winning it once doesn't count as being dominant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 4 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: If you add France that makes the 7 countries just above Scotland in the coefficient table. Our teams struggle against teams from many different leagues as this week has show cased 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Binos said: Our teams struggle against teams from many different leagues as this week has show cased That would be the same for every other country in the table,any team can beat another M8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 That would lead to the SPL and the 11-1 voting structure that hangs over any significant changes to the organisation of club football in the country.I agree with the vast majority of your post but what changes to club football in Scotland have been bigger than the Club 42 playoff and a full pyramid system? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: Think it was the old Yugoslavia since you like to be pedantic,winning it once doesn't count as being dominant. Of course it was, but it was a club that's now in modern Serbia and one which wouldn't now have a prayer of winning it. Obviously, these countries didn't dominate, but they had a chance. Now they don't. That's an example of how it's changed hugely in recent years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 hour ago, DiegoDiego said: I agree with the vast majority of your post but what changes to club football in Scotland have been bigger than the Club 42 playoff and a full pyramid system? As a for instance, if 11-1 didn't exist the SPFL would have been 12-12-18 and the bottom two of the 18 would have contested a relegation playoff. Not just Club 42. Given the number of different proposals that have come along and been scuppered by 11-1. There would have been more significant changes than the Club 42 play-off that got snuck in as one of the lowest priorities of the SPL-SFL mergers and the "full pyramid" system that has been haphazardly bolted on over the last 8 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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