DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Totally agree. Eta this should be a completely fresh start. Iceland did something similar a few years back and it's worked for the. Have to agree with this - and any fresh start means Cockwomble et al need to go as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Have to agree with this - and any fresh start means Cockwomble et al need to go as well. Would certainly be ideal to jettison him n regan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 19 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Have to agree with this - and any fresh start means Cockwomble et al need to go as well. These guys have nothing to do with the Scottish National Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 22 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: Lol at posts like these. Even we can beat Georgia at home so we must be better than Wales, no? In fact this is the first time in 2 years that we have played the same opposition as Wales in competitive matches. Tuesday will be the 2nd. Maybe the irrelevant comparisons with them will finally stop Wales gubbed us home an away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 "Gubbed us" 2-1 home and away, yet we still finished above them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Couple of points here... 'Rip it up and start again' on youth development is part of the issue. I don't think anyone who joined the first intake at the performance schools will have turned 16 yet, so we've got no idea whether it's working. We haven't stuck with anything for long enough for about 20yrs - maybe it's no coincidence. Same applies to the mysterious mooted "Strachan blueprint", btw. McGhee's admission before the September internationals that he and Strachan have nothing to do with the U21 side (basically it was Sbragia picks whoever he likes from the players we haven't, plays whatever formation he likes, runs his own gig) was shocking. National team manager should be intimately involved in what U21s are called-up, the tactics they play, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yeah, but this is Scotland. We don't need to bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Couple of points here... 'Rip it up and start again' on youth development is part of the issue. I don't think anyone who joined the first intake at the performance schools will have turned 16 yet, so we've got no idea whether it's working. We haven't stuck with anything for long enough for about 20yrs - maybe it's no coincidence. Same applies to the mysterious mooted "Strachan blueprint", btw. McGhee's admission before the September internationals that he and Strachan have nothing to do with the U21 side (basically it was Sbragia picks whoever he likes from the players we haven't, plays whatever formation he likes, runs his own gig) was shocking. National team manager should be intimately involved in what U21s are called-up, the tactics they play, etc. etc. Yeah don't think anyone is suggesting ripping up grass roots youth development so much as saying there needs to be a clear line of thinking from the senior side to the age grade international teams. No point in guys playing one style of game in u17, u19, U21 internationals only for senior mgr to want something completely different. There doesn't seem to be any clear vision at these levels on how to play which in this day and age is poor. My youngest plays rugby and there are weekly sessions based on how the sru wants all young players developed and the key skills to work on. The Scotland u20s Glasgow n Scotland play pretty much the same brand of rugby making it much easier for younger players to integrate. If Iceland can manage it then the sfa should be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Couple of points here... 'Rip it up and start again' on youth development is part of the issue. I don't think anyone who joined the first intake at the performance schools will have turned 16 yet, so we've got no idea whether it's working. We haven't stuck with anything for long enough for about 20yrs - maybe it's no coincidence. Same applies to the mysterious mooted "Strachan blueprint", btw. McGhee's admission before the September internationals that he and Strachan have nothing to do with the U21 side (basically it was Sbragia picks whoever he likes from the players we haven't, plays whatever formation he likes, runs his own gig) was shocking. National team manager should be intimately involved in what U21s are called-up, the tactics they play, etc. etc. But that means doing a bit of work in between main international matches. You are spot on though. It makes you wonder what Strachan and McGhee are paid for. It's certainly not for overseeing the future of international football in Scotland that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, LinkinFighter said: Yeah, but this is Scotland. We don't need to bother We need to get more people playing the game. That is what few people pick up on. I think it was 2007 that FIFA survey showed heavy hitters like Ireland had more registered footballers than us, I'd be interested to see current estimates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Literally no players are developed as a result of international youth football. Sack wage thiefs like Sbragia, Gemmell and anyone else earning a living off these pointless setups and put it towards a replacement for Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Literally no players are developed as a result of international youth football. Sack wage thiefs like Sbragia, Gemmell and anyone else earning a living off these pointless setups and put it towards a replacement for Strachan. Aye Germany spain Iceland etc have suffered dreadfully from taking age grade international football seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 33 minutes ago, Snakebite said: We need to get more people playing the game. That is what few people pick up on. I think it was 2007 that FIFA survey showed heavy hitters like Ireland had more registered footballers than us, I'd be interested to see current estimates. This is an interesting aspect. HJ has posted figures related to it before. I remember being surprised to see that the Irish Republic had significantly more footballers than us, despite having a weak domestic league, as well as other codes of football that are very popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 58 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Couple of points here... 'Rip it up and start again' on youth development is part of the issue. I don't think anyone who joined the first intake at the performance schools will have turned 16 yet, so we've got no idea whether it's working. We haven't stuck with anything for long enough for about 20yrs - maybe it's no coincidence. Same applies to the mysterious mooted "Strachan blueprint", btw.McGhee's admission before the September internationals that he and Strachan have nothing to do with the U21 side (basically it was Sbragia picks whoever he likes from the players we haven't, plays whatever formation he likes, runs his own gig) was shocking. National team manager should be intimately involved in what U21s are called-up, the tactics they play, etc. etc. Strachan lost my vote at that point. The news that Sbragia replaced Scott Gemmill who replaced Ricky Sbragia just compounds it. I get that the age teams are not necessarily about results, that's why joined up thinking is all the more needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Aye Germany spain Iceland etc have suffered dreadfully from taking age grade international football seriously... Would you say that's the reason that they're successful? Youth footballers spend an absolute miniscule amount of there development at international teams, it matters for f**k all. The investment needs put in before the u16 level. Either way there's no point starting anything new, we've not seen how the performance school works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Strachan lost my vote at that point. The news that Sbragia replaced Scott Gemmill who replaced Ricky Sbragia just compounds it. I get that the age teams are not necessarily about results, that's why joined up thinking is all the more needed. Top to bottom scottish football is being run into the ground by the dinosaurs in charge. The issue we have is the interest in football in Scotland is huge and the fat cats will continue to get paid there fat pay packs sitting around doing sweet FA about it. I personally believe there's as much corruption in the SFA like Fifa had, every choice they make is a penny pinching 1 yet still feel the need to charge 40 quid and up for a home game v lithunia. The sky contract for showing our games live was huge where is the money being Invested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 49 minutes ago, dogmc said: Yeah don't think anyone is suggesting ripping up grass roots youth development so much as saying there needs to be a clear line of thinking from the senior side to the age grade international teams. No point in guys playing one style of game in u17, u19, U21 internationals only for senior mgr to want something completely different. There doesn't seem to be any clear vision at these levels on how to play which in this day and age is poor. My youngest plays rugby and there are weekly sessions based on how the sru wants all young players developed and the key skills to work on. The Scotland u20s Glasgow n Scotland play pretty much the same brand of rugby making it much easier for younger players to integrate. If Iceland can manage it then the sfa should be able to. I don't know about Rugby, but remember all our players are coached by individual clubs, not by some national coaching system, so it's impossible to coach into them one way of playing when they only play 3-4 International Youth games a year, but 40+ games and hundreds of hours of coaching at their clubs, that is where they develop, not playing a few games for Scotland. And going from one style in the 17/19/21s and then to another in the senior isn't going to matter when they all play different styles at their clubs anyway. I don't want us producing players who only know one style anyway, our style away to Spain is going to be different to our style at home to San Marino, we need players who have all the skills but who are adaptable. And even if you do want us to have a particular style, that comes after ensuring your players have the technique, there's no point trying to develop a passing game if we are currently producing the players we are. Player development happens at clubs, and international meets should be used as nothing more of a rough indicator of the quality of players we are producing and a chance for players to experience playing against different styles of football. It is largely pointless though, for as long as almost every club has a pro-youth set-up and takes in players from as young as 10 there is very little the SFA can do about player development, they are basically bystanders apart from a small number of International games a year, where's there is virtually nothing they can do. 15 minutes ago, dogmc said: Aye Germany spain Iceland etc have suffered dreadfully from taking age grade international football seriously... They have good teams because of the number of hours kids are playing and the quality of coaching they get from a young age. Iceland have put significant money in their facilities and coaching, and Spain and Germany have great players thanks the the youth setups at clubs like Barcelona and Dortmund. Spain and Germany could scrap all their youth international teams and I doubt it would make one bit of difference to the quality of their senior team in the future. 3-4 Under 21s games in a year is hardly going to make much difference to a player's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 The most frustrating thing about Strachan is that he's shown he can take a Scottish team to a reasonable level in European competition with Celtic. Yes, Scottish players were in the minority and he had a decent transfer budget but he got good results against continental teams stronger on paper. Now it looks like we're going backwards again. Agree with people suggesting we need to throw some money at an appointment and go down the foreign route for a different perspective. Theres a number of big names out of work just now - anything less than a win tomorrow and I would be in favour of giving Strachan the bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 What exactly is 'The System' which needs so desperately fixed? Prior to the abolition of Schools' football as a stepping stone to YTS schemes, young players were thrown in pretty much from the off; clubs would generally have 16-20 first teamers, and similar number of reserves who'd get their chance, and be playing and training with grown men from day one as a professional. As Malpas said on Scotlands Game lately, you either sunk or swam, and players developed naturally. There was no synthetic manufacturing of one-size-fits-f**k-all jobbers, most players who came through this (i'd guess the last were Hartley, Ferguson, Naysmith and McCann from a Scotland team perspective) were specialists. People still talk of Forrest and others as 'young', thus forgiving their inabilities, when they wouldn't have gotten a game of Subbuteo twenty or thirty years ago. There are simply too many vested interests to re-create this, too many egos, embittered ex-players and failed Sunday league managers, to change a thing. Scottish football's been pandering to these arseholes for too long, and the result is scores like Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 This is the man we need. If Strachan got bullet, which currently I hope he doesn't https://g.co/kgs/mmWVd5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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