Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 The highlight of Saturday for me was the Jumbo Hotdog I had from one of the dodgy vans outside the North Stand, that more or less sums it right up as far as I'm concerned. There was a time when I didn't question ticket prices or even performances, however increasingly I'm thinking I need my head examined when I pay out £38 and basically waste 2 hours of my life watching that utter and complete dross in abject misery without even a drink. Maybe I'm just getting old............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: Is there not a middle ground between saying we'll beat them and conceding defeat beforehand? What he says in public definitely matters. The only defence for his idiotic ramblings would be if they were accompannied by results that point to an expertise lurking beneath the infantile bluster. There is no such accompaniment. There is, yeah. Why does it matter what he says in public? Just curious. I'd like to think that if he's saying one thing to the press to protect players, and other things behind the scenes, that the players are just about smart enough to listen to the right one. People are always going to pick holes in whatever he says, and I don't think it really matters if Hugh Keevins is raging at something Strachan has said, or what the media report. They're going to be largely negative anyway. I'm coming at it purely from the perspective that he's saying different to the players behind the scenes. If he's saying exactly the same things, then they're wrong, fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Why are you fine with someone at the helm of something you care about, wilfully talking absolute rubbish to you? Personally, I don't enjoy having my intelligence insulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Why are you fine with someone at the helm of something you care about, wilfully talking absolute rubbish to you? Personally, I don't enjoy having my intelligence insulted. Totally agree, Other than Gerald Ratner I can't remember a more screwed up sales line. Ultimately Strachan should be attempting to sell the Scotland team "product" to the fans and quite frankly when he's telling us all we're rubbish and we've basically no chance then I'm sorry but why should I continue to purchase the product ?? As for the mind games, well, that again is just utter drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Why are you fine with someone at the helm of something you care about, wilfully talking absolute rubbish to you? Personally, I don't enjoy having my intelligence insulted. Because I don't particularly watch manager press conferences then get myself totally raging over whatever he says. It's not as if this is a new development. He's been a dick throughout his career. I can think for myself, so don't really feel like I've had my intelligence insulted over something as minor as this. All that matters to me is performances. Hence why I was just about happy for him to stay on after the last campaign, and why I'm pretty much in the same mindset right now. He could go into press conferences just short of wearing black face and it wouldn't really matter if he got us to a world cup. Just like it's not going to matter if his media skills were impeccable and he loses most games. What he says in press conferences ranks around the same level as what he's wearing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Yes, I know it's fashionable to say that you're not bothered about what he says because it'll be a different message sent to players. I think such a stance is meant to convey some sort of mature, worldly knowledge of how these things work. Even if we leave aside concerns about how someone in a role dependent on communicating effectively, communicates though; we're left with the arrogant, dismissive posturing of someone who thinks the public don't merit being treated seriously or with respect. I wouldn't find that acceptable in the public face of any other organisation whose services I cared about, so why it would be fine where football is concerned, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, I know it's fashionable to say that you're not bothered about what he says because it'll be a different message sent to players. I think such a stance is meant to convey some sort of mature, worldly knowledge of how these things work. Even if we leave aside concerns about how someone in a role dependent on communicating effectively, communicates though; we're left with the arrogant, dismissive posturing of someone who thinks the public don't merit being treated seriously or with respect. I wouldn't find that acceptable in the public face of any other organisation whose services I cared about, so why it would be fine where football is concerned, I don't know. Aye, that must be what it is You hate Strachan, you hate the way he does things. I don't. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, hopefully you don't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I think at this stage fans have very low expectations and this is being reflected in both attendances and therefore atmosphere. I don't think it's asking too much for the mgr to give the fans a wee bit of positivity to cling too, especially in the context of 18 years without tournament football. As it goes whoever the sfa has as a media liason should be working on this with Strachan. ETA we are already on the cusp of the next two years being futile (again). Hopefully we do find a way to win tonight otherwise the empty seats at hampden are going to cost the sfa a lot of lost revenue that it can ill afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, forameus said: Aye, that must be what it is You hate Strachan, you hate the way he does things. I don't. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, hopefully you don't either. "Totally raging", "Losing sleep" etc. It's possible you know, to take a different view from yours while retaining perspective. Characterise my stance as irrational if it suits you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: "Totally raging", "Losing sleep" etc. It's possible you know, to take a different view from yours while retaining perspective. Characterise my stance as irrational if it suits you though. Absolutely it is. But it seems like you're really offended that I don't particularly care about how he is with the media. You know, the different view to yours. I never said you shouldn't hold yours, I was just genuinely curious as to why you thought it mattered. Hence why I asked. Debate and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I wouldn't be as bothered about his trolling and arrogance towards the media and fans if he was actually any good at his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolfie Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, TheScarf said: I wouldn't be as bothered about his trolling and arrogance towards the media and fans if he was actually any good at his job. Absolutely! Incompetent AND twisted AND chip-on-shoulder. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, forameus said: Absolutely it is. But it seems like you're really offended that I don't particularly care about how he is with the media. You know, the different view to yours. I never said you shouldn't hold yours, I was just genuinely curious as to why you thought it mattered. Hence why I asked. Debate and all that. "Really offended"? Don't be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Ally McLeod was good at motivating players and inspiring supporters. But Argentina 1978 was the nadir of Scottish football management nonetheless. He took a good squad of players to the world cup and through utterly shambolic mis-management, he f**ked it up. Royally. Slightly in parts, not in others. Suggesting his personality has anything to do with it - a personality that hasn't changed in his entire career - doesn't really work. I don't agree that a lot of the fans are now against him, but then he's being deliberately vague with that. I wouldn't say a majority are against him, for example. There's certainly a vocal and sizable group that are, which is fair enough. And I disagree with the "no-one apart from Gordon understands that" part at the end. I completely understand why he played Martin, and I'm sure anyone sensible could too. They don't have to agree with it - I didn't - but I completely understand his thinking. Sutton just strikes me as a moany w**k who gets a lot of press because he "tells it like it is". When really he just seems incredibly bitter, trying to stay relevant by saying things that'll get him noticed. What seems to happened is that we've gone to the other extreme - it's all and fine not playing up your chances - but when you play them down as much as we do then you are fucked before you start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, forameus said: But then you're mentioning three midfielders in that, one of which you've put up behind the forwards. That's us sitting with two midfielders shielding our weak center backs, and neither of them are particularly defensive. I think there's several systems you could try out, but we don't have enough strength across the entire team to make them definitely successful. Ideally we build one where we take advantage of wing-backs and attacking midfielders, as they're probably our strongest areas, but then you're weakening areas where you're really weak. It becomes a balance then about whether you want to try and protect those weaknesses to stop us conceding too often, or play to our strengths to try and see us score more. Obviously there's a balance to be had there, but therein lies the problem. Is the object of football not to score goals ? That said though, I am concerned about how weak the defence is. Surely we have specialist coaches somewhere who can come up with a McLeish / Miller type partnership ? Or at least study what those two did to make them so formidable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_14 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 hours ago, WATTOO said: Totally agree, the Premiership is way way overated as are the majority of the England team. They can't defend and their players with the exception of one or two are all playing at bottom half clubs and some aren't even first choice picks. Let's face it, there aint no David Silva's, Sergio Aguero's or Kevin De Bruyne's in that English side and the one quality player that they do have is a target of their boo boys and has now been dropped. Basically it's defeatist crap from Strachan similar to what he said before we played both Germany and Belgium and yet a truly pathetic Ireland team managed to take points from them due to a little self belief and a Manager who actually had a clue and believed in his players. Whilst I'm all up for bashing England, let's not kid ourselves. They aren't made up of 'bottom half' players or anything of the like, that's just bollocks. Calling Rooney a 'quality player' suggests to me that you haven't got a f*cking clue about English football, to be honest. Let's look at their starting XI vs Malta. Joe Hart - Torino (on loan from Man City) - Torino finished in the bottom half last season, Man City didn't, so that's 50/50, but you can have that one if you want. Kyle Walker - not bottom half Gary Cahill - not bottom half John Stones - not bottom half Ryan Bertrand - not bottom half Jordan Henderson - not bottom half Dele Alli - not bottom half Wayne Rooney - not bottom half Theo Walcott - not bottom half Jesse Lingard - not bottom half Daniel Sturridge - not bottom half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Disturbing to find myself agreeing with Sutton, albeit he'll undoubtedly be saying it for publicity through trololo. Way too young to remember Argentina '78, but wasn't the problem that the SFA wouldn't pay for scouting of Peru and Iran? Much like Andy Roxburgh admitted that we knew hee-haw about what turned out to be a decent Costa Rica side in 1990. And Uruguay in 1954, along with the weather in Switzerland. I'm sure that we all have faith that the SFA have sorted those issues in modern times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Malcolm Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Nowhereman said: Nadir? Ciftci isn't the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myview Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Astounded Strachan in the newspapers and tv discussing what he knows about Slovakia. Saying when he watched them (twice) they played a 4-3-3 but Pressley went and watched them (once) and they played a totally different formation (a back three) and that he would have to change the team accordingly. Maybe I should alert him that they may only have changed it for that one match and may return to a 4-3-3. I think he justifying his changes for tonight, that it's for tactical reasons and not media pressure. I have analysed the opposition at pro level and in important matches I would have watched them 4/5 times to enable us to come up with the best formation/ team to win the match. I certainly wouldn't be stating to the media prior to the match what we knew about them. Strachan in his wisdom has actually told them that he is changing his formation to compete against their back three. Double bluff? We will wait and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, Myview said: I have analysed the opposition at pro level Aw Christ. This pish again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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