djchapsticks Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I think the problem is that the big time games lose that 'special' feeling as you know that they'll likely encounter one another again within the next few seasons. Take Arsenal vs Barcelona for instance. I remember about 10 years ago and it was the first time these two European powerhouses had met in Europe for a long time, possibly ever. Now I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of watching them in the last 16 every second season. And it's a trend that continues through the competition. Nothing has that special one off feeling anymore until the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, djchapsticks said: I think the problem is that the big time games lose that 'special' feeling as you know that they'll likely encounter one another again within the next few seasons. Take Arsenal vs Barcelona for instance. I remember about 10 years ago and it was the first time these two European powerhouses had met in Europe for a long time, possibly ever. Now I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of watching them in the last 16 every second season. And it's a trend that continues through the competition. Nothing has that special one off feeling anymore until the final. Very much this. I struggle to separate the Manchester Utd V Barcelona UCL Finals from a few years ago yet can clearly recount the Uefa Cup QF ties between the two sides in 1984! Like Cloughie said; "I love Sunday lunch but not every day and twice on Sundays" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 23 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: It should be the champions of every league plus the previous winners. No dropping unto UEFA league. Straight home and away knockout. It's far too biased towards money. that would be great only insofar as we could all laugh at arsenal with their noses pressed to the glass,watching the feasting beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 18 hours ago, NotThePars said: Nobody actually wants a "champions" league with just champions id like that,thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I watched the final last season. That was it. And this is another point. I wonder what the TV revenues outwith Europe are - I would suspect they've exploded in the last 10-15 years. My petty malcontent will have absolutely no bearing on the extent to which Chelsea vs PSG is foisted upon me. Re the Champions League, I also only watch the Final now.As I can't be arsed paying for TV, I quickly lost interest as soon as the Champs League moved from ITV.Scotland internationals are in the same boat.I occasionally watch Match of the Day, but in the last year I've even given up on that.I reckon it can't be long until I'm completely done with football. I always wondered how old boys got to this stage. I thought it was impossible you could give up on football. Now I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Same as it is the now, then. It would be worse. Could you ever see anyone other than the Champions of England, Spain and Germany making the semis every single season? With the French and Italian sides also getting there. Their routes up to that point would just be an utter procession unless they played each other early on, which would just kill the tournament as you'd know whoever won the head to heads would go on and win the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: It would be worse. Could you ever see anyone other than the Champions of England, Spain and Germany making the semis every single season? With the French and Italian sides also getting there. Their routes up to that point would just be an utter procession unless they played each other early on, which would just kill the tournament as you'd know whoever won the head to heads would go on and win the whole thing. The point's already been made that clubs like Red Star Belgrade and Malmo reached European Cup finals. The current system is the same huge teams playing each other regularly in a slightly different order to last time - genuinely hard to get excited about that when you've seen it dozens if times in recent memory. It's a carve-up that has more to do with corporate business than sport. Worst of all, it's tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 20 hours ago, NotThePars said: Nobody actually wants a "champions" league with just champions Nobody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 It would be interesting if the draw was more open - the rule that clubs from the same country can't meet in the group stage or the last 16 increases the repetitiveness greatly I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 If a diddy club went on a run to the semis or final or even won the competition (as has actually been done several times), then the exact same people complaining about the current format would be complaining about 'anti-football' or something instead, like when Greece or Portugal do well in international tournaments. I personally quite enjoy seeing the best teams and the best players having a platform to compete against each other. The game would be much poorer without it and would probably be the only sport that didn't try and put their best performers against each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, Firhill Road said: If a diddy club went on a run to the semis or final or even won the competition (as has actually been done several times), then the exact same people complaining about the current format would be complaining about 'anti-football' or something instead, like when Greece or Portugal do well in international tournaments. I personally quite enjoy seeing the best teams and the best players having a platform to compete against each other. The game would be much poorer without it and would probably be the only sport that didn't try and put their best performers against each other. You don't get anti-football in the current set up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afca32 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Just remembering those Barca-Bayern semis in 2015. They were fucking incredible, I've never seen football like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 45 minutes ago, paranoid android said: You don't get anti-football in the current set up? There's no such thing, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, paranoid android said: The current system is the same huge teams playing each other regularly in a slightly different order to last time You could say that about all national leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 There's a balance to be found, the champions all getting in would be pretty shite, but all these teams from the top 4 leagues getting in is pretty shite too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, The OP said: It would be interesting if the draw was more open - the rule that clubs from the same country can't meet in the group stage or the last 16 increases the repetitiveness greatly I'd imagine. This, Also every league winner should be given a by until at least the final play off round rather than having to go through the 3 QR rounds. ETA: actually it might be difficult doing that on the basis of 55 nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I think the last time I actually sat down and watched a full Champions League game was the 2012 final where Chelsea shit-fested their way to the trophy. That tells it's own story. Awful competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 20 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: You could say that about all national leagues. I would say it about the Scottish Prem - playing the same clubs three, four, or more times a season - f**k nat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 40 minutes ago, Firhill Road said: There's no such thing, so no. Strange that you would mention it, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Strange that you would mention it, then. Not when I'm trying to raise the point that there are probable double standards here. I've never used the term but other, thicker people have and do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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