Favourite quirks of Scottish stadiums.

[tamthebam]

12 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

It's appearing properly for me but maybe different for people using mobiles. Here it's saved as 3 images.

Must be said some clubs have also seen calamitous falls. Clyde getting 3% of old highs.

when you look at Celtic and Rangers crowds from 70 years ago to now it's not a wild statistical guess to find out where the support for diddy central Scotland teams e.g. Airdrie, Albion Rovers has gone. The glory hunting Old Firm cnuts.

[tamthebam]

11 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Dunfermline go up and down like a fiddlers elbow. like a Dunfermline girl's drawers

FTFY.

[Glenconner]

15 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

when you look at Celtic and Rangers crowds from 70 years ago to now it's not a wild statistical guess to find out where the support for diddy central Scotland teams e.g. Airdrie, Albion Rovers has gone. The glory hunting Old Firm cnuts.

Do you think £14 is good value to watch so called present day diddy clubs?

[tamthebam]

1 minute ago, Glenconner said:

Do you think £14 is good value to watch so called present day diddy clubs?

Fair point well made but a damn sight more value than the  £28 for Hearts V Hamilton that I was charged the other week. I dare say if you plotted a graph of inflation against football prices over the last 25 years it would make for grim reading...

[Sergeant Wilson]

34 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

when you look at Celtic and Rangers crowds from 70 years ago to now it's not a wild statistical guess to find out where the support for diddy central Scotland teams e.g. Airdrie, Albion Rovers has gone. The glory hunting Old Firm cnuts.

Those people from back then are dead now. People travelling to Rangers and Celtic now is part of the problem, but changing demographics and lifestyles mean people in provincial towns who don't go anywhere are a bigger part of it. The horse has bolted for most of these clubs and existing is the end game rather than progression.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Sergeant Wilson

[Glenconner]

145 at the Albion Rovers home game on 29th December with live football on the telly says it all. The same day i attended Rutherglen Glencairn game attendance 70. £14 v £6. I did look at going to the Albion Rovers game but the price put me off.

[Howlin' Wilf]

The attendances would be significantly higher (probably almost double) than those listed up to and including the 70s,  due to the amount of lifts over the turnstiles for kids.

[DA Baracus]

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Those people from back then are dead now. People travelling to Rangers and Celtic now is part of the problem, but changing demographics and lifestyles mean people in provincial towns who don't go anywhere are a bigger part of it. The horse has bolted for most of these clubs and existing is the end game rather than progression.

Glasgow is a provincial city 

[A96]

15 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Depends what period you're talking about of course. Many of these pictures are from the 1960s and 1970s, by which time a lot of clubs had slumped off their post-war booms. Some clubs are not really much different now. Here are all averages at 10yr intervals since the war.
 

                ‘47-48   ’57-58   ’67-68   ’77-78   ’87-88   ’97-98   ’07-08   ’17-18

 

Aberdeen        20,395   11,618   10,056   16,115   13,460   12,459   11,994   15,775

Airdrie          9,500    8,265    3,791    1,232    1,414    1,823      981      768

Albion Rov       5,167    1,131      610      529      358      595      307      457

Alloa            4,700    1,556      659    1,528      570      453      602      643

Annan                                                                             346

Arbroath         3,673    3,133    1,387    1,791      587      456      612      772

Ayr Utd          6,433    3,556    2,351    6,196    2,796    2,016    1,139    1,533

Berwick                   1,012      585    1,041      448      456      479      434

Brechin                   1,372      362      447      474      378      503      923

Celtic          21,000   18,348   31,373   29,568   33,199   47,504   56,677   57,523

Clyde           14,227   12,353    3,873      992    1,051      806    1,303      515

Clydebank                          1,108    4,484    1,064      779

Cowdenbeath      5,633    2,528      385      834      268      233      502      320

Dumbarton        3,267    4,389      858    1,848      836      627      524      832

Dundee          20,800   12,118    7,608    6,729    8,595    2,797    4,251    5,947

Dundee Utd       8,333    3,678    6,268    8,411   10,462    9,339    8,530    5,505

Dunfermline      3,900    4,944    7,329    1,903    9,245    8,819    3,852    5,243

East Fife        6,600    5,529    1,416    1,766      980    1,148      737      683

East Stirling             1,206      401      625      354      331      385

Edinburgh C                                                                       325

Elgin                                                                    467      607

Falkirk         11,333   10,176    4,666    1,777    6,659    2,802    5,568    4,676

Forfar                    1,344      569    1,108      739      494      404      619

Gretna                                                                 2,637

Hamilton         4,800    2,417      704    1,942    2,044      928    2,468    3,095

Hearts          22,694   24,118   11,136    9,863   16,633   12,359   15,958   18,429

Hibs            27,950   20,206   11,475    9,647   11,590   10,480   13,884   18,124

Inverness                                                     2,495    4,753    2,395

Kilmarnock       6,718   11,637    5,694    2,834    1,846    9,125    6,181    5,391

Leith            2,700

Livingston                                                    2,183    1,831    1,350

Meadowbank                                    503      734

Montrose                  1,347      647    1,351      420      523      606      682

Morton          10,900    2,444    6,125    4,002    4,933    2,787    2,728    1,986

Motherwell      12,567   11,241    4,870    8,235    6,660    7,256    6,599    5,448

Partick         20,267   12,029    7,091    8,381    1,972    2,620    2,609    4,580

Peterhead                                                                698      641

QotS            11,033    6,941    1,958    1,659    1,282    1,214    2,029    1,452

Queen’s Park    12,027    6,471    1,348      652      610      538      713      688

Raith            5,500    9,529    5,644    1,908    2,109    5,890    1,785    1,886

Rangers         28,400   30,765   34,980   28,083   38,568   49,357   49,143   49,174

Ross County                                                   1,789    2,246    4,540

St Johnstone     6,047    2,932    4,670    2,103    1,946    4,468    2,914    3,809

St Mirren       13,567   10,794    3,158   11,793    7,386    3,451    4,547    4,448

Stenhousemuir    1,533    1,194      233      446      358      518      417      444

Stirling         4,953    3,095    2,895    2,161      760    1,453    1,167      658

Stranraer                 1,300      430    1,067      493      601      302      444

Third Lanark    13,067   12,029

The SFA and SPFL should be doing everything they possibly can to provoke a World War .  The crowds fairly go through the roof once it's over.

[GordonD]

23 minutes ago, A96 said:

The SFA and SPFL should be doing everything they possibly can to provoke a World War .  The crowds fairly go through the roof once it's over.

That may explain why they keep turning a blind eye to the bigotry from the arsecheeks.

[A96]

On ‎06‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 23:27, jamtart1972 said:

 

Couple of things fae that clip.

The Aberdeen goal's a header fae well outside the penalty area.  Can't think of any other headed goal fae that far out.  Closest I can think of is the fat , Hunb*****d cheerleader/mouthpiece  , Derek Johnstone scoring for Scotland from about the edge of the box. Think that was in the Home Internationals just before Argentina 1978.

The other thing is the Hearts number 7 , Souness .        Any relation ?

[GNU_Linux]

Couple of things fae that clip.
The Aberdeen goal's a header fae well outside the penalty area.  Can't think of any other headed goal fae that far out.  Closest I can think of is the fat , Hunb*****d cheerleader/mouthpiece  , Derek Johnstone scoring for Scotland from about the edge of the box. Think that was in the Home Internationals just before Argentina 1978.
The other thing is the Hearts number 7 , Souness .        Any relation ?

Thats James McGill Souness who is no relation. Played for Hibs before joining Hearts & retired not long after winning the league cup in 1955. Outside of football he played three first class games for the scottish cricket team & is also of note for climbing over 200 of the Munros. Died climbing Jungfrau in the Bernese Alps in 1990.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19800506&id=Rvs9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=OkkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3438,1113591

[A96]

4 minutes ago, GordonD said:

That may explain why they keep turning a blind eye to the bigotry from the arsecheeks.

If it was just those two, it'd be the greatest war in the world. 

But I was thinking more along the lines of one of these pre-season Mickey Mouse invitational tournaments .  North Korea , USA, and an ISIS XI  maybe.  Get some Ayrshire Junior team to host it.

[A96]

4 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

Thats James McGill Souness who is no relation. Played for Hibs before joining Hearts & retired not long after winning the league cup in 1955. Outside of football he played three first class games for the scottish cricket team & is also of note for climbing over 200 of the Munros. Died climbing Jungfrau in the Bernese Alps in 1990.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19800506&id=Rvs9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=OkkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3438,1113591

Thanks , min !.....bit quicker next time , though

[DA Baracus]

8 minutes ago, A96 said:

Couple of things fae that clip.

The Aberdeen goal's a header fae well outside the penalty area.  Can't think of any other headed goal fae that far out.  Closest I can think of is the fat , Hunb*****d cheerleader/mouthpiece  , Derek Johnstone scoring for Scotland from about the edge of the box. Think that was in the Home Internationals just before Argentina 1978.

The other thing is the Hearts number 7 , Souness .        Any relation ?

 

[A96]

9 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

 

I was meaning goals from a decent level, not some pub league action captured on a home video

[HibeeJibee]

It is true that physical crowds were probably above the published figure until the 1960s (although there is no way half the crowd was kids being let in free on the sly), and have been below the published figure recently (due to clubs publishing "seats sold" rather than "people present"). However if the point of comparison is those paying then there is been no fundamental difference: kids let in on the sly don't pay and people who've bought a seat but not used it have paid.

If we restrict ourself to every 2nd decade these are the totals of all the clubs (which has slightly risen):

1957-58 ... 278,775
1977-78 ... 185,554
1997-98 ... 214,350
2017-18 ... 233,750


So there's been a serious decline and obviously it would be even more had we looked at 1947-48 with a postwar boom still in first flush. Equally crowds are better than the worst of the slump reached. However, let's split those figures into OF and rest:

1957-58 ... Old Firm ...    49,113 = 17.6%
1957-58 ... 'the rest' ... 229,632

1977-78 ... Old Firm ...    57,651 = 31.1%
1977-78 ... 'the rest' ... 127,903

1997-98 ... Old Firm ...    96,861 = 45.2%
1997-98 ... 'the rest' ... 117,489

2017-18 ... Old Firm ... 106,697 = 45.7%
2017-18 ... 'the rest' ... 127,053


So there you have it... Crowds at OF have more than doubled while crowds at 'the rest' have almost halved. Alternatively: where in the 1950s OF fans accounted for 1 in 6 supporters during 1950s, today they account for 1 in 2 supporters. Of course their income outwith ticket sales - from prizemoney and when playing in CL - has also grown exponentially compared to 1950s revenue sources.

Doesn't seem to have happened simultaneously though. Crowds at the rest halved - then OF doubled.

Edited January 8, 2019 by HibeeJibee

[Monkey Tennis]

In 47-48 Celtic's home gates were on average a little under double ours.

Last season, they were nearly forty times as large.

[tamthebam]

those almost executive boxes that comprise the sticky oot bit of the Dundee North End Social club! 

[Mr. X]

Hearts attendances in 57/58 was 8.64% of total.  In 2017/18 the attendances were 7.88% of total. Not a massive drop compared to some.

However we were down to the 5% for the other decades, Even in 97/98 when we were really quite good (very clear third in the league and Scottish Cup winners) our percentage was only 5.76.  I think that was when quite a few fans were getting really fed up with the old firm being completely off the charts in spending power and expectation of any chance of silverware was very low. It had been 36 years since the last time we had won a trophy.