strichener Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 38 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If you agree with quotas for certain fish to preserve stocks, how else do you enforce them? Sorry Gov, accidentally caught 10 tons of Pilchard, sorry, won't happen again, what's the price like by the way? And yet the rules are being transitioned in by 2019 to make discards illegal without sacrificing quotas. The point remains that 1000s of tonnes of fish have been discarded during our membership of the CFP and someone on twitter thinks that Brexit is represented by the wastage of a box or two. Let's get a sense of perspective here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Cerberus said: No one wants rancid fish. I would class most fish as rancid TBH but lots of people want these species. Discard is nothing to do with the suitability for consumption and everything to do with politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, strichener said: And yet the rules are being transitioned in by 2019 to make discards illegal without sacrificing quotas. The point remains that 1000s of tonnes of fish have been discarded during our membership of the CFP and someone on twitter thinks that Brexit is represented by the wastage of a box or two. Let's get a sense of perspective here. Symbolism dear boy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Symbolism dear boy. The economic waste and over-bureaucratic CFP is an appropriate symbol of the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, strichener said: The economic waste and over-bureaucratic CFP is an appropriate symbol of the EU. Just as well we got by with the black fish landings. It's a scandal that we haven't continued to turn a blind eye to taking advantage of the bountiful stocks that the locals are best placed to manage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, strichener said: And yet the rules are being transitioned in by 2019 to make discards illegal without sacrificing quotas. The point remains that 1000s of tonnes of fish have been discarded during our membership of the CFP and someone on twitter thinks that Brexit is represented by the wastage of a box or two. Let's get a sense of perspective here. Yes, please. Fishing is 0.5% of the UK's economy. It's not even worth mentioning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter The 11 pillars of Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 More good news. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5a29e09c-2f7c-11e8-8818-e8348c6ff993 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Cerberus said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter The 11 pillars of Brexit. Just bare faced lies which comes as zero surprise. Anyone who claims they were 'misled' is a fucking moron as these scumbags making the promises and saying shit are proven professional liars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Just bare faced lies which comes as zero surprise. Anyone who claims they were 'misled' is a fucking moron as these scumbags making the promises and saying shit are proven professional liars. They weren’t misled. They know it’s lies. They don’t care. Xenophobia and nostalgia for a time that never existed are powerful motivators. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Cerberus said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter The 11 pillars of Brexit. Just read this on The Guardian site and was shaking my head at the stupidity and naivety of most of the comments by senior Tories. The utter disrespect for the EU and "ease" of a deal is farcical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/28/keir-starmer-labour-vote-down-brexit-bill-emily-thornberry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: They weren’t misled. They know it’s lies. They don’t care. ^^^This. I'm sure someone that did a bit more philosophy at University than me has a clever word or phrase for it. If I have to write 'but this was explained many times in advance of the vote' one more time I'll be raging very disappointed nonplussed. But it is completely inevitable that I will. They weren't misled. When they're getting fucked out of a job or their pal from Poland fucks off home it's their fault entirely. They were told it would happen. It will happen. f**k them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Xenophobia and nostalgia for a time that never existed are powerful motivators. Nicely put. I'm sure I saw some women from Lossiemouth (she was about my age (40), probably younger) on Reporting Scotland (?) in the last couple of days saying that she voted Brexit because she thought it could take us back to the good old days of the 1940's. The '40s!!! That's what we are dealing with here. My Dad continually goes on about how absolutely shit everything used to be (that was well after the '40s), but the constant British exceptionalism shtick has clearly permeated with idiots all over the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Nicely put. I'm sure I saw some women from Lossiemouth (she was about my age (40), probably younger) on Reporting Scotland (?) in the last couple of days saying that she voted Brexit because she thought it could take us back to the good old days of the 1940's. The '40s!!! That's what we are dealing with here. My Dad continually goes on about how absolutely shit everything used to be (that was well after the '40s), but the constant British exceptionalism shtick has clearly permeated with idiots all over the country. Everything was pretty dreadful in the 70s when i started working. Especially my beige slightly flared suit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: ^^^This. I'm sure someone that did a bit more philosophy at University than me has a clever word or phrase for it. If I have to write 'but this was explained many times in advance of the vote' one more time I'll be raging very disappointed nonplussed. But it is completely inevitable that I will. They weren't misled. When they're getting fucked out of a job or their pal from Poland fucks off home it's their fault entirely. They were told it would happen. It will happen. f**k them. They're suffering from cognitive dissonance and seek to remove or reduce that by suspending rationality. Vote with heart rather than head, or see things for how they want them to be rather than how they are basically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Nicely put. I'm sure I saw some women from Lossiemouth (she was about my age (40), probably younger) on Reporting Scotland (?) in the last couple of days saying that she voted Brexit because she thought it could take us back to the good old days of the 1940's. The '40s!!! That's what we are dealing with here. Brilliant! Powdered eggs, coffee made from acorns, ration cards and getting bombed by folk. Bring it on! And those cool hats and suits men used to wear! And summer frocks with a pen mark up the back of the legs to pretend women had tights! Edited March 28, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tongue_tied_danny Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Nicely put. I'm sure I saw some women from Lossiemouth (she was about my age (40), probably younger) on Reporting Scotland (?) in the last couple of days saying that she voted Brexit because she thought it could take us back to the good old days of the 1940's. The '40s!!! That's what we are dealing with here. My Dad continually goes on about how absolutely shit everything used to be (that was well after the '40s), but the constant British exceptionalism shtick has clearly permeated with idiots all over the country. The 40s were great, rationing, V2 rockets, what's not to love? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Anyone that loves the 40s and Brexit is a mad Nazi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Same argument as we had after we lost the independence vote. In the future it'll all be different.......once the oldies have died off. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-britain-eu-stay-2021-public-opinion-society-changes-theresa-may-transition-deal-a8278146.html Quote Increasing education, greater ethnic diversity and more younger voters are poised to deliver a firm Remain majority in just three years 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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