DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 What did the Romans ever do for us?Monty Python responses coming in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit Doomsday preppers but with Quinoa rather than bullets. Dave from Bermondsey doesn't think that "the country has the capacity to stockpile food". The UK switched to a planned economy overnight in 1939 but in 2018 customs checks are going to lead to societal breakdown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit Doomsday preppers but with Quinoa rather than bullets. Dave from Bermondsey doesn't think that "the country has the capacity to stockpile food". The UK switched to a planned economy overnight in 1939 but in 2018 customs checks are going to lead to societal breakdown. Well there was that one wee detail with the whole enforced rationing thing that ended up lasting until 1954. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I’m beginning to think that digging up Churchill and going full Weekend At Bernie’s with his mummified corpse is the only way out of this. He wasn’t PM in 1939 though, so Chamberlain will have to do instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, renton said: Well there was that one wee detail with the whole enforced rationing thing that ended up lasting until 1954. The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening. We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this. No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening. We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this. No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks. They should have been preparing for 2 years. As far as I can tell they’ve done f**k all. That’s the issue. This isn’t about Leave/Remain. By now everything should be in place and ready to go, but the arseholes in charge think they are still in some fucking Oxbridge debating society and don’t seem to understand that there may be some practicalities involved in what they are doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 55 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: I’m beginning to think that digging up Churchill and going full Weekend At Bernie’s with his mummified corpse is the only way out of this. He wasn’t PM in 1939 though, so Chamberlain will have to do instead. My grandfather was fond of telling a story that, when it was announced on the radio that Britain was at war with Germany, his next door neighbour's response was to go and bring the washing in! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Detournement said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit Doomsday preppers but with Quinoa rather than bullets. Dave from Bermondsey doesn't think that "the country has the capacity to stockpile food". The UK switched to a planned economy overnight in 1939 but in 2018 customs checks are going to lead to societal breakdown. It doesn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Why? What do you think is preventing that from happening? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Why? What do you think is preventing that from happening?https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/stockpile-food-no-deal-brexit-dream-on The people in charge haven’t a fucking clue how anything actually works, that’s why. ETA: It’s an interesting point, actually. Are there any engineers or ‘producers’ in Government at all? Or is it just bankers, accountants, lawyers, journalists, glorified councillors, and folk that went to the right school? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/stockpile-food-no-deal-brexit-dream-on The people in charge haven’t a fucking clue how anything actually works, that’s why. ETA: It’s an interesting point, actually. Are there any engineers or ‘producers’ in Government at all? Or is it just bankers, accountants, lawyers, journalists, glorified councillors, and folk that went to the right school?Grant Shapps was an engineer [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Grant Shapps was an engineer [emoji23]Are you sure? His Wikipedia says he got an HNC in Finance from Manchester Polytechnic. He belongs to another category that I didn’t realise existed. But there it is... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 it's a farce but always was going to be. There was never going to be a deal before now. EU always works on brinkmanship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Detournement said: The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening. We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this. No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks. Reduced cycle times and costs, as well as increased responsiveness associated with Just In Time principles introduced over 30 years ago forced the supply chains of pretty much every major industry into a situation where stockpiling was anathema. How then is industry supposed to stockpile enough perishable food to maintain the current level? Of course, a no deal Brexit may force the the supply chains to pivot back towards Just In Case principles which would alleviate any uncertainty regarding supply and raw materials, but would place UK industry at a huge disadvantage with respect to foreign companies operating the far more responsive JIT principles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Reduced cycle times and costs, as well as increased responsiveness associated with Just In Time principles introduced over 30 years ago forced the supply chains of pretty much every major industry into a situation where stockpiling was anathema. How then is industry supposed to stockpile enough perishable food to maintain the current level? Of course, a no deal Brexit may force the the supply chains to pivot back towards Just In Case principles which would alleviate any uncertainty regarding supply and raw materials, but would place UK industry at a huge disadvantage with respect to foreign companies operating the far more responsive JIT principles.Stocking up is yet another reason prices will go through the roof. It costs money, that’s why we don’t do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Why? What do you think is preventing that from happening? Because Plan 'A' for Brexit was always that we leave, other countries follow and the EU collapses completely. We would then be leaders of the "told you so" group of countries that have chosen to leave. Unfortunately for that plan - the Dutch declined to elect a fascist to run the country and then so did the French. "Oh blast. What's Plan 'B'? Oops, we don't have a Plan 'B'" The Brexiteers are frustrated that the EU27 are sticking together. Hardly surprising. After all, the British seem to be the only country in Europe with fond memories of the Second World War. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Because Plan 'A' for Brexit was always that we leave, other countries follow and the EU collapses completely. We would then be leaders of the "told you so" group of countries that have chosen to leave. Unfortunately for that plan - the Dutch declined to elect a fascist to run the country and then so did the French. "Oh blast. What's Plan 'B'? Oops, we don't have a Plan 'B'" The Brexiteers are frustrated that the EU27 are sticking together. Hardly surprising. After all, the British seem to be the only country in Europe with fond memories of the Second World War.Absolutely nailed it.Britain is about to find out just how little it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Detournement said: The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening. We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this. No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks. The bank bailout and QE was signing a few bits of paper. Turning Kent into a giant refrigerated warehouse/lorry park is harder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, tirso said: it's a farce but always was going to be. There was never going to be a deal before now. EU always works on brinkmanship. Do you think the complete absence of any progress is all the EUs fault? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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