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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit

Doomsday preppers but with Quinoa rather than bullets.

Dave from Bermondsey doesn't think that "the country has the capacity to stockpile food". The UK switched to a planned economy overnight in 1939 but in 2018 customs checks are going to lead to societal breakdown.

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7 minutes ago, Detournement said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit

Doomsday preppers but with Quinoa rather than bullets.

Dave from Bermondsey doesn't think that "the country has the capacity to stockpile food". The UK switched to a planned economy overnight in 1939 but in 2018 customs checks are going to lead to societal breakdown.

Well there was that one wee detail with the whole enforced rationing thing that ended up lasting until 1954.

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8 minutes ago, renton said:

Well there was that one wee detail with the whole enforced rationing thing that ended up lasting until 1954.

The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening.

We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this.

No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks.

 

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The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening.
We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this.
No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks.
 

They should have been preparing for 2 years. As far as I can tell they’ve done f**k all. That’s the issue. This isn’t about Leave/Remain. By now everything should be in place and ready to go, but the arseholes in charge think they are still in some fucking Oxbridge debating society and don’t seem to understand that there may be some practicalities involved in what they are doing.
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55 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

I’m beginning to think that digging up Churchill and going full Weekend At Bernie’s with his mummified corpse is the only way out of this. He wasn’t PM in 1939 though, so Chamberlain will have to do instead.

 

My grandfather was fond of telling a story that, when it was announced on the radio that Britain was at war with Germany, his next door neighbour's response was to go and bring the washing in!

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1 hour ago, Detournement said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/im-already-stockpiling-readers-preparing-for-a-messy-brexit

Doomsday preppers but with Quinoa rather than bullets.

Dave from Bermondsey doesn't think that "the country has the capacity to stockpile food". The UK switched to a planned economy overnight in 1939 but in 2018 customs checks are going to lead to societal breakdown.

It doesn't.

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Why? What do you think is preventing that from happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/stockpile-food-no-deal-brexit-dream-on

 

The people in charge haven’t a fucking clue how anything actually works, that’s why.

 

ETA: It’s an interesting point, actually. Are there any engineers or ‘producers’ in Government at all? Or is it just bankers, accountants, lawyers, journalists, glorified councillors, and folk that went to the right school?

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/stockpile-food-no-deal-brexit-dream-on
 
The people in charge haven’t a fucking clue how anything actually works, that’s why.
 
ETA: It’s an interesting point, actually. Are there any engineers or ‘producers’ in Government at all? Or is it just bankers, accountants, lawyers, journalists, glorified councillors, and folk that went to the right school?
Grant Shapps was an engineer [emoji23]
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1 hour ago, Detournement said:

The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening.

We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this.

No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks.

 

Reduced cycle times and costs, as well as increased responsiveness associated with Just In Time principles introduced over 30 years ago forced the supply chains of pretty much every major industry into a situation where stockpiling was anathema. How then is industry supposed to stockpile enough perishable food to maintain the current level? Of course, a no deal Brexit may force the the supply chains to pivot back towards Just In Case principles which would alleviate any uncertainty regarding supply and raw materials, but would place UK industry at a huge disadvantage with respect to foreign companies operating the far more responsive JIT principles.

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Reduced cycle times and costs, as well as increased responsiveness associated with Just In Time principles introduced over 30 years ago forced the supply chains of pretty much every major industry into a situation where stockpiling was anathema. How then is industry supposed to stockpile enough perishable food to maintain the current level? Of course, a no deal Brexit may force the the supply chains to pivot back towards Just In Case principles which would alleviate any uncertainty regarding supply and raw materials, but would place UK industry at a huge disadvantage with respect to foreign companies operating the far more responsive JIT principles.

Stocking up is yet another reason prices will go through the roof. It costs money, that’s why we don’t do it.
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1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Why? What do you think is preventing that from happening?

Because Plan 'A' for Brexit was always that we leave, other countries follow and the EU collapses completely.

We would then be leaders of the "told you so" group of countries that have chosen to leave.

Unfortunately for that plan - the Dutch declined to elect a fascist to run the country and then so did the French.

"Oh blast.  What's Plan 'B'?  Oops, we don't have a Plan 'B'"

The Brexiteers are frustrated that the EU27 are sticking together.
Hardly surprising.
After all, the British seem to be the only country in Europe with fond memories of the Second World War.

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Because Plan 'A' for Brexit was always that we leave, other countries follow and the EU collapses completely.
We would then be leaders of the "told you so" group of countries that have chosen to leave.
Unfortunately for that plan - the Dutch declined to elect a fascist to run the country and then so did the French.
"Oh blast.  What's Plan 'B'?  Oops, we don't have a Plan 'B'"
The Brexiteers are frustrated that the EU27 are sticking together.
Hardly surprising.
After all, the British seem to be the only country in Europe with fond memories of the Second World War.
Absolutely nailed it.

Britain is about to find out just how little it is.
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3 hours ago, Detournement said:

The country could probably do with a bit of rationing but given the lack of a global war I don't see it happening.

We are conditioned to think of the state as struggling to provide services when the reality is that the state actually has incredible resources to solve any problem so long as the power holding elite are motivated to solve it. The bank bail out and QE are good examples of this.

No government is going to allow itself to be brought down by customs checks.

 

The bank bailout and QE was signing a few bits of paper. Turning Kent into a giant refrigerated warehouse/lorry park is harder.

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