JamieThomas Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: It really tests my faith in the democratic process. These folk deserve the worst excesses of a No Deal Brexit, sadly it will apply to all of us and not just them. Tests my faith in the sanity of large swathes of the English population who seem to believe that they personally gave Kaiser Bill a bloody nose after tea and cake at the Somme. Fucking cretins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 14 hours ago, welshbairn said: There's no plan from anybody that doesn't leave us much worse off than than staying in. I guess that depends on your starting position. It seems like stopping freedom of movement of those horrid Euro types is nigh on a certainty. I would suggest that that alone will be enough for many brexiteers. (added to the blue passports of course). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Given the fact that a majoirty in NI voted Remain I am astounded that there is not a greater demand for a United Ireland. In the eyes of the public there is arguably more of a prima facie case for this than for Scottish Independence. It would certainly removed the need for a backstop. I suspect NI as a country would be fearful of the violence that would break out if there was any serious movement towards a united Ireland. My wife and in laws are Northern Irish and most are just grateful that the troubles are significantly less than they used to be. They also just have no faith that Northern Ireland would cope either independent or part of ROI. It's a complete basket case really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: I suspect NI as a country would be fearful of the violence that would break out if there was any serious movement towards a united Ireland. My wife and in laws are Northern Irish and most are just grateful that the troubles are significantly less than they used to be. They also just have no faith that Northern Ireland would cope either independent or part of ROI. It's a complete basket case really. Yeah, maybe I shouldn’t be so glib. Sometimes is easy to forget that U.K. citizens lived through such a traumatic period quite recently. I actually thought support for a United Ireland was gaining support both sides of the border. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 It would be difficult to economically integrate NI into the RoI. Especially if the EU actually clamp down on RoI being a global money laundering centre for American corporations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah, maybe I shouldn’t be so glib. Sometimes is easy to forget that U.K. citizens lived through such a traumatic period quite recently. I actually thought support for a United Ireland was gaining support both sides of the border. It possibly is and Brexit may be a catalyst for that but I think in many respects Belfast as a city alone feels like a place that has finally got its act together and become attractive for visitors etc again now. However, the unsavoury element of the country is always lurking there and the recent controversy with the flag on Belfast city hall was a reminder of what it can be like if you rock the boat. Saying that, I think a lot of the current generation in NI are hoping that when the generation of fierce loyalists/unionists etc pass on then they will finally be able to consign all that to history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: I was going to..... but I probably shouldn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Given the fact that a majoirty in NI voted Remain I am astounded that there is not a greater demand for a United Ireland. In the eyes of the public there is arguably more of a prima facie case for this than for Scottish Independence. It would certainly removed the need for a backstop. There's a bit more to a re-united Ireland than being in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: There's a bit more to a re-united Ireland than being in the EU. Would it be a bit like suggesting Rangers and Celtic amalgamate to become Glasgow United? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, dee_62 said: I guess that depends on your starting position. It seems like stopping freedom of movement of those horrid Euro types is nigh on a certainty. I would suggest that that alone will be enough for many brexiteers. (added to the blue passports of course). I'm reliably informed that here in the North West of England there is a sizable Asian community who voted for Brexit because they are anxious to to see the end of freedom of movement for"these horrid Euro types" Why? Because they are forever undercutting the prices they charge for their taxis! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Would it be a bit like suggesting Rangers and Celtic amalgamate to become Glasgow United? They'd probably get on better... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Would it be a bit like suggesting Rangers and Celtic amalgamate to become Glasgow United? I thought they already had done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I like the first paragraph of this, as if McDonnell's position was previously a well-kept secret. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-mcdonnell-united-ireland-labour-corbyn-republican-a8588611.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Dump the DUP and get a deal, that's according to Leo Varadker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Dump the DUP and get a deal, that's according to Leo Varadker "because if you don't we'll start shooting you again." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I was in Belfast recently and saw a bit more of the city than I usually do when I'm over. The idea of the scars of that city "lurking" is a bit generous. Other than the very immediate city centre, which has a fairly cosmopolitan feel to it, it seems like you're only ever a few streets away from some pretty grim looking shit. I heard anecdotally that the criminal element associated with all that stuff is alive and well too. I like the hypothetical idea of a united Ireland but I'm pretty sure the practical reality of it would be horrendous, at least initially. It tells you everything that the likes of Davis think this issue is a bargaining chip that Britain has in its favour. This whole thing is a big game to these c***s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: "because if you don't we'll start shooting you again." It's a legitimate question to ask why Arlene Thomas is claiming to represent the will of the people of Northern Ireland when she isn't even doing her job. A fairly recent poll would suggest the vast majority are far less intransigent than her. Not that I think that a united Ireland is on the cards, just that a large majority would be in favour of a special status with free trading and movement with the South and the UK, in return for the odd check on ID and lorry contents on the ferry to Stranraer (or whatever the new port is), which already happens anyway. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/poll-northern-ireland-voters-will-back-united-ireland-after-brexit-37275256.html Edited October 19, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 "because if you don't we'll start shooting you again."^brainless comment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 18 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: "because if you don't we'll start shooting you again." ^brainless comment You'd know all about them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 You'd know all about them.Whatever, but it's clear you're a bigot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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