Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[ICTJohnboy]

41 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

Nice to see Scotland's  13 lick spittle tory mp's rolling over and getting tickled as they get Scotland the grand total of f**k all from Theresa Mays bribery pot. 

 

Who gets to tickle Ross Thomson?

[Granny Danger]

Just now, Londonwell said:

I'm not certain (only a fool would be) but I think so yes. 

Fair enough.  They are certainly not going to get the concessions from the EU that they were demanding.

FWIW I think some of the ERG will fold but the majority won’t neither will the DUP.  There might be enough Labour MPs like Caroline Flint to help get May’s deal over the line but it will be tight.

[Londonwell]

9 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Fair enough.  They are certainly not going to get the concessions from the EU that they were demanding.

FWIW I think some of the ERG will fold but the majority won’t neither will the DUP.  There might be enough Labour MPs like Caroline Flint to help get May’s deal over the line but it will be tight.

I've somehow managed to delete that post so thanks for quoting.

From my end FWIW, I was in the Westminster last week and all the chat was that she was gonna get it through, I was semi convinced then hence my post. However, I would add throughout all this i've heard various predictions from lets say ITK people and invariably they turn out to be wrong, so there is that. 

Edited March 4, 2019 by Londonwell

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Went to the cinema at the weekend to watch 'Vice'.....the (supposed) story of how Dick Cheney and a shadowy cabal of dodgy right-wing associates effectively took over the USA and little by little imposed their ideology on every aspect of governance, to the benefit of almost nobody except from Cheney himself and the shareholders of Halliburton.

I suspect that in 10 years time we're going to have a similar movie about Brexit.

It's a great film by the way. Masterful performance by Christian Bale.

I read an interesting piece on Elon Musk over the weekend where he wants to make the Tesla 3 saloon affordable for all, rather than just the minority, as he acknowledges that cars are far too expensive, the profit margin is far too high and that ordinary working people are now being excluded from the market. 

What was really interesting though is that he was attacked from all angles from analysts to Journalists and both sides of the US political divide where they were "outraged" that he was pursuing this sick socialist agenda.

Unfortunately that's where we're at in the western world and the USA are increasingly attempting to force their extreme form of capitalism on us over here and that should be a cause for much worrying from our perspective, especially as we're going to be at their mercy very soon..................

[oldbitterandgrumpy]

2 hours ago, dirty dingus said:

Nice to see Scotland's  13 lick spittle tory mp's rolling over and getting tickled as they get Scotland the grand total of f**k all from Theresa Mays bribery pot. 

We do not need a disturbing image in our heads of Fluffy rolling over and being tickled. 

[welshbairn]

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Because of different levels of turnout and numbers of registered voters, most people who voted leave - by absolute numbers - lived in southern England. Furthermore, of all those who voted leave, 59% were middle class (often labelled as A, B or C1), and only 41% were working class (labelled C2, D or E). The proportion of leave voters who were of the lowest two social classes (D and E) was just 24%. One of us published these statistics not long after the vote, in the British Medical Journal, but that did little to quell the middle-class clamour to ‘blame the working class’ ...

In short, then, Tory England voted Britain out. These were areas that had often loyally voted Conservative for decades, but economically were not doing anything like as well as other Tory areas, which cannot have seemed right to many people living there ...

Older, less well-off, less well-educated Tory Britain was where the most votes for Brexit were. It cannot be said often enough. It was not Sunderland or Stoke that swung it.

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/rule-britannia

[ICTJohnboy]

35 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/rule-britannia

 

No great surprises there, but it should also be said that substantial numbers of Labour voters in the North of England voted Leave.

 

[BawWatchin]

4 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Went to the cinema at the weekend to watch 'Vice'.....the (supposed) story of how Dick Cheney and a shadowy cabal of dodgy right-wing associates effectively took over the USA and little by little imposed their ideology on every aspect of governance, to the benefit of almost nobody except from Cheney himself and the shareholders of Halliburton.

I suspect that in 10 years time we're going to have a similar movie about Brexit.

It's a great film by the way. Masterful performance by Christian Bale.

It was boring. Me and the wifey walked out half way through, as did most people in the cinema. It didn't really feel like a film at all.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

27 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

No great surprises there, but it should also be said that substantial numbers of Labour voters in the North of England voted Leave.

 

I think various people across various social classes had various individual reasons for voting to leave the EU, often oblivious of traditional party allegiance.  Whether that was salt o' th'earth folk in Accrington wanting a return to the days when chimneys dominated the local skyline or the nice people in East Cheam wistfully recalling the days of no black faces in the golf clubhouse, the one unifying element appeared to be that every last one of them 'wanted their country back'.

It is a brave politician or public figure who calls out this shite, and unfortunately we've have very few around when we really needed them 

Edited March 4, 2019 by O'Kelly Isley III

[Guest]

Why the "elite" argument doesn't stack up when talking about them all being pro remain.

This is why many want us to "go it alone" so as we can keep our shady dealings without worrying about the pesky EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/750c9cfc-3e75-11e9-b896-fe36ec32aece

 

[ICTJohnboy]

19 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I think various people across various social classes had various individual reasons for voting to leave the EU.  Whether that was salt o' th'earth folk in Accrington wanting a return to the days when chimneys dominated the local skyline or the nice people in East Cheam wistfully recalling the days of no black faces in the golf clubhouse, the one unifying element appeared to be that every last one of them 'wanted their country back'.

It is a brave politician or public figure who calls out this shite, and unfortunately we've have very few around when we really needed them 

 

I've mentioned this before but I think it's worth repeating.

Since moving to this area just over 1 year ago, I've heard it said so often, that the immigrants get all the benefits going just handed to them on a plate, on their arrival - everything from free council housing, to all manner of free healthcare.

Quote : "Of course the politicians aren't allowed to mention this, but it's common knowledge" "We all know what we voted for, mate...It really is time the balance was  redressed in favour of....... blah, blah, fucking blah"

Also, as Frankie Boyle once said, many voted to leave the EU because of all the Pakistanis and Indians who have made their homes here.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2019 by ICTJohnboy

[Fullerene]

36 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I think various people across various social classes had various individual reasons for voting to leave the EU, often oblivious of traditional party allegiance.  Whether that was salt o' th'earth folk in Accrington wanting a return to the days when chimneys dominated the local skyline or the nice people in East Cheam wistfully recalling the days of no black faces in the golf clubhouse, the one unifying element appeared to be that every last one of them 'wanted their country back'.

It is a brave politician or public figure who calls out this shite, and unfortunately we've have very few around when we really needed them 

Aside from the EU, there are two significant issues that have changed things since "the good old days".

One is the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain.  This meant a large population who were never able to visit the UK are now able to do so.

Second is the creation of cheap flights through EasyJet, Ryanair and other airlines.
This has also increased the number of people who can come to the UK.

Unless there is an end to flights between the UK and the continent, I don't think anything will change there.
In fact, if we crash out and the pound drops further in value, the UK will probably see more visitors having a cheap holiday.

I doubt we will ever return to a time when everyone you meet speaks English as a first language and with the exact same accent.

[Granny Danger]

The government have pulled a vote on the Financial Services Bill which is part of the Brexit legislation amid fears they were going to be defeated on an amendment that would have given greater transparency on tax havens.

Slimy, dodgy b*****ds.

 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

The government have pulled a vote on the Financial Services Bill which is part of the Brexit legislation amid fears they were going to be defeated on an amendment that would have given greater transparency on tax havens.

Slimy, dodgy b*****ds.

 

That was the FT piece I posted earlier.

But Yes, totally.

[Granny Danger]

36 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

That was the FT piece I posted earlier.

But Yes, totally.

It was behind a paywall (and I’m not a subscriber).

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Feature on Margate on the BBC News earlier, interviewing the usual dregs on the street. Daft old bint with one tooth gives it "How dare they! We're Great Britain" when talking about the EU. Game's bust, lads.

[Baxter Parp]

Dissecting a document being shared by Brexiteers on Facebook:

[Baxter Parp]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/04/theresa-may-did-not-understand-eu-when-she-triggered-brexit

 

Theresa May 'did not understand EU when she triggered Brexit'

Well, duh.

[Detournement]

Macron calling for treaty change.

https://www.elysee.fr/emmanuel-macron/2019/03/04/for-european-renewal.en
 

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Founded on internal reconciliation, the European Union has forgotten to look at the realities of the world. Yet no community can create a sense of belonging if it does not have bounds that it protects. The boundary is freedom in security. We therefore need to rethink the Schengen area: all those who want to be part of it should comply with obligations of responsibility (stringent border controls) and solidarity (one asylum policy with the same acceptance and refusal rules). We will need a common border force and a European asylum office, strict control obligations and European solidarity to which each country will contribute under the authority of a European Council for Internal Security. On the issue of migration, I believe in a Europe that protects both its values and its borders.

The same standards should apply to defence. Substantial progress has been made in the last two years, but we need to set a clear course: a treaty on defence and security should define our fundamental obligations in association with NATO and our European allies: increased defence spending, a truly operational mutual defence clause, and the European Security Council with the United Kingdom on board to prepare our collective decisions.

Our borders also need to guarantee fair competition. What power in the world would accept continued trade with those who respect none of their rules? We cannot suffer in silence. We need to reform our competition policy and reshape our trade policy with penalties or a ban in Europe on businesses that compromise our strategic interests and fundamental values such as environmental standards, data protection and fair payment of taxes; and the adoption of European preference in strategic industries and our public procurement, as our American and Chinese competitors do.

 

Very ambitious but unfortunately for the banker the German elite are coining in due to the Eurozone's failings and won't be changing anything any time soon.

[John Lambies Doos]

Macron calling for treaty change.
https://www.elysee.fr/emmanuel-macron/2019/03/04/for-european-renewal.en
 

 
Founded on internal reconciliation, the European Union has forgotten to look at the realities of the world. Yet no community can create a sense of belonging if it does not have bounds that it protects. The boundary is freedom in security. We therefore need to rethink the Schengen area: all those who want to be part of it should comply with obligations of responsibility (stringent border controls) and solidarity (one asylum policy with the same acceptance and refusal rules). We will need a common border force and a European asylum office, strict control obligations and European solidarity to which each country will contribute under the authority of a European Council for Internal Security. On the issue of migration, I believe in a Europe that protects both its values and its borders.
The same standards should apply to defence. Substantial progress has been made in the last two years, but we need to set a clear course: a treaty on defence and security should define our fundamental obligations in association with NATO and our European allies: increased defence spending, a truly operational mutual defence clause, and the European Security Council with the United Kingdom on board to prepare our collective decisions.
Our borders also need to guarantee fair competition. What power in the world would accept continued trade with those who respect none of their rules? We cannot suffer in silence. We need to reform our competition policy and reshape our trade policy with penalties or a ban in Europe on businesses that compromise our strategic interests and fundamental values such as environmental standards, data protection and fair payment of taxes; and the adoption of European preference in strategic industries and our public procurement, as our American and Chinese competitors do.
 

Very ambitious but unfortunately for the banker the German elite are coining in due to the Eurozone's failings and won't be changing anything any time soon.
And Ireland won't be moving their corporation tax either