Pet Jeden Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, beefybake said: Oh please. Grow a brain. There have been no negotiations. The only component of a negotiaition that has taken place was some junior knobhead taking a flight out to mainland Europe. Then coming back again. And you know this to be a fact because..............er....... all your like-minded “friends” on Twitter/Facebook say so. Please excuse me if I choose to use my 2 brain cells to think for myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Colkitto said: Think there was a YouGov poll for one of the English news papers that showed Boris was most popular leader. If I get the chance I'll see if I can find it The lesson from this appears to be that the other party leaders need to make a spectacular c**t of themselves on a panel show ASAP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: And you know this to be a fact because..............er....... all your like-minded “friends” on Twitter/Facebook say so. Please excuse me if I choose to use my 2 brain cells to think for myself. I don't do Twiiter, nor hardly Facebook. All you have to do, actually, is to read the more respected end of the mainstream media, yes....... read between the lines of polite phrasing and see what has been happening. Or rather, hasn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, glasgow-sheep said: Westminster voting intention: CON: 31% (+10) LAB: 28% (-3) LDEM: 19% (+6) BREX: 15% (-4) GRN: 2% (-3) via @Panelbase, 05 - 06 Sep **Chgs. w/ May** Westminster voting intention: CON: 35% (-) LAB: 21% (-4) LDEM: 19% (+3) BREX: 12% (+1) via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Sep Let's recap last couple days of polls! YouGov / Opinium / Panelbase / Survation Con: 35% / 35% / 31% / 29% Lab: 21% / 25% / 28% / 24% LDem: 19% / 17% / 19% / 18% Brx: 12% / 13% / 15% / 17% Only full party numbers shown. Worth remembering that the Cons had a 21 point lead, when Theresa May called her snap election in 2017. The only part of the country where she had any significant success was Scotland - and guess what? That ain't gonna happen again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 And you know this to be a fact because..............er....... all your like-minded “friends” on Twitter/Facebook say so. Please excuse me if I choose to use my 2 brain cells to think for myself.Even Ken Clarke would have voted with the Government if he thought there was serious progress towards a deal, or at least for delaying it if there was some attempts. All he saw was shutting down Parliament to wind the clock down to a hard Brexit. It's laughable to suggest he would have kept it quiet if anything at all was happening that could have saved his Government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: 23 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: And you know this to be a fact because..............er....... all your like-minded “friends” on Twitter/Facebook say so. Please excuse me if I choose to use my 2 brain cells to think for myself. Even Ken Clarke would have voted with the Government if he thought there was serious progress towards a deal, or at least for delaying it if there was some attempts. All he saw was shutting down Parliament to wind the clock down to a hard Brexit. It's laughable to suggest he would have kept it quiet if anything at all was happening that could have saved his Government. Ken Clarke openly admits that he doesn’t want the UK to come out of the Single Market and Customs Union at all - despite having stood on a manifesto to do just that. So I’m not sure why you hold him up as some kind of impartial judge of what’s going on (or not) behind the scenes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, beefybake said: I don't do Twiiter, nor hardly Facebook. All you have to do, actually, is to read the more respected end of the mainstream media, yes....... read between the lines of polite phrasing and see what has been happening. Or rather, hasn't. Respected by whom? The mainstream media and the their customers - the urban middle classes - are in a self-reinforcing pant-wetting loop of outrage. They are are not objective and hilariously take every utterance from Brussels or Dublin or the CBI as some kind objective nugget of wisdom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Ken Clarke openly admits that he doesn’t want the UK to come out of the Single Market and Customs Union at all - despite having stood on a manifesto to do just that. So I’m not sure why you hold him up as some kind of impartial judge of what’s going on (or not) behind the scenes.He voted for May's deal at every opportunity, unlike the people who actually want to leave. If he had had his way we would have left the EU in March and would be currently negotiating a trade deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Ken Clarke openly admits that he doesn’t want the UK to come out of the Single Market and Customs Union at all - despite having stood on a manifesto to do just that. So I’m not sure why you hold him up as some kind of impartial judge of what’s going on (or not) behind the scenes.Ken Clarke has voted to leave the European Union more times than just about anybody else in the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 Ken Clarke's a Tory c**t...Anyway I think Johnson is really pushing the people v parliament agenda. I'm afraid it's working... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 16 hours ago, Donathan said: Not quite, if the house passes a motion showing it has no confidence in the government, there's a 14 day period for any MP to show HM that they can command the confidence of the house. That could mean a unity government being formed to exclude the Tories and DUP. Besides even if Boris tried to VONC himself, there's no guarantee the VONC would even pass. The government's "working majority" is -45 now that Amber Rudd has left the Tories. If the opposition want to trap Johnson they'll just vote no on a VONC motion. I was going to say that couldn't be right, but then I remembered they threw out 21, which put them well into the red. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tongue_tied_danny Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: Good to see the future, the UK will never be the same. An awful lot of "huid me back" going on there... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, Paco said: Ken Clarke has voted to leave the European Union more times than just about anybody else in the country. That deal bends the meaning of the word “leave” to breaking point though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 That deal bends the meaning of the word “leave” to breaking point though.The WA was just the minimum conditions for negotiating a trade deal after leaving, so that trade can carry on as normal in the interim. The conditions would be exactly the same if we crash out, but with far less leverage and under much worse trading conditions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Hedgecutter said: Goes to jail (which turns out to be home arrest in No.10) for a month (no worse than an offshore work stint) and comes out to lead the UK to independence from the EU, being hailed as the 'White Mandela' and re-elected for years. I was thinking more of the goes to jail, dictates a mental book to his cell mate, gets out and proclaims 1000 year Reich version. Trump would have to proclaim him the White Mandela. That would be perfect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: 17 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: That deal bends the meaning of the word “leave” to breaking point though. The WA was just the minimum conditions for negotiating a trade deal after leaving, so that trade can carry on as normal in the interim. The conditions would be exactly the same if we crash out, but with far less leverage and under much worse trading conditions. You seriously think after signing the WA (incl the UK-wide Backstop) the EU would negotiate anything? How naive. That’s why they put up front the 3 biggies they were concerned about. Are you the sort of person who pays a tradesman the whole price up front then wonders why you can’t get them to start or finish the job on time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 It's definitely helpful to compare the trade negotiations of a vast supra-international organisation riddled with bureaucratic inertia with your hassles with a local tradesman. The two are definitely comparable. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said: Respected by whom? The mainstream media and the their customers - the urban middle classes - are in a self-reinforcing pant-wetting loop of outrage. They are are not objective and hilariously take every utterance from Brussels or Dublin or the CBI as some kind objective nugget of wisdom. Well, off you go then, in your little bubble of delusion. Edited September 8, 2019 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh dear, May's deal or No Deal.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Ken Clarke's a Tory c**t...Anyway I think Johnson is really pushing the people v parliament agenda. I'm afraid it's working...Scenes when there’s a 2nd referendum and people vote for a hard Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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