Granny Danger Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, Donathan said: According to our constitution we cannot be “without a PM” under any circumstances. If Boris resigns, he’d be asked to nominate a successor. Should he refuse to do so then the Queen and her advisers will ask the person with the best chance of having the confidence of the HOC. Say that person was deemed to be Corbyn, he’s form a government. He could immediately face a VONC but even if that was the case he remains as PM through an election campaign. I can’t see Johnson resigning after waiting so long to get into No 10. More chance they will have to drag him out screaming and kicking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Kenneth Clark would be the best choice as interim PM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, Donathan said: According to our constitution we cannot be “without a PM” under any circumstances. If Boris resigns, he’d be asked to nominate a successor. Should he refuse to do so then the Queen and her advisers will ask the person with the best chance of having the confidence of the HOC. Say that person was deemed to be Corbyn, he’s form a government. He could immediately face a VONC but even if that was the case he remains as PM through an election campaign. I'm just a bit worried that there wouldn't be time to get A50 extended in that scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: If he remains PM and he refuses to obey the law he could personally face issues (be barred from standing for Parliament in future). Also I reckon there would be a good chance the courts would issue an interdict to stop us crashing out. Are you aware that the Queen could legally dissolve parliament and call an election, it was last done in 1830. Boris is in Balmoral this weekend. The Monarch remains at all times above the law. Edited September 6, 2019 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Has the Queen ever murdered anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Has the Queen ever murdered anyone? She would not be prosecuted, a la Henri Huit. You have to be aware that all UK Judiciary act upon the Monarchs wishes and demands. Edited September 6, 2019 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Jo Johnson should be interim PM for shits and giggles. Boris would then not even be the best PM in his family. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 What if he said f**k it I won't resign or call for an extension? What if he just ran it out to 31st October then we default to no deal? VoNC and then 14 days to install a caretaker.Would be funny if it was an expelled Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Kenneth Clark would be the best choice as interim PM.H_B says no - must be a the right choice then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Donathan said: According to our constitution we cannot be “without a PM” under any circumstances. Really? Care to offer a citation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Donathan said: According to our constitution we cannot be “without a PM” under any circumstances. If Boris resigns, he’d be asked to nominate a successor. Should he refuse to do so then the Queen and her advisers will ask the person with the best chance of having the confidence of the HOC. Say that person was deemed to be Corbyn, he’s form a government. He could immediately face a VONC but even if that was the case he remains as PM through an election campaign. We don't have a written constitution do we? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Donathan said: According to our constitution we cannot be “without a PM” under any circumstances. this is bollocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Colkitto said: What if he resigned as PM but stayed on as Tory leader and the parliament couldn't agree on a new PM before 31st October? Who would ask for the extension? What if the Gov goes for a confidence vote around 18/19 Oct? If they lose they get 14 days to try to turn it round ( i.e. beyond 31st). If they win then Boris can resign on the 19th and there will be no PM to write the begging letter to Brussels. No? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Colkitto said: We don't have a written constitution do we? Some pundit was saying today that the strength of having an unwritten constitution was shown by how the Speaker could change the rules and allow the Legislature to take control from the Executive. I'm more of the opinion that we've slipped into the Back to the Future film series, starting with the one where a school bully becomes President, and there are no rules anymore. Edited September 6, 2019 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Colkitto said: We don't have a written constitution do we? We don’t have a single written point of reference but there are various rules and conventions that comprise what constitution we do have. When the Bill becomes an Act I think it will be difficult forJohnson to bypass it. The people who authored it have a great amount of experience and took a lot of advice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Nice to see Claire Fox discombobulated on Newsnight trying to defend Johnson and the Tories. Could have been a certain poster on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Breamar Games this w/end, and Johnson is visiting Balmoral, he'd better watch out for those long bits of wood flying about [emoji51][emoji16] Has the Queen ever murdered anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, jakedee said: Breamar Games this w/end, and Johnson is visiting Balmoral, he'd better watch out for those long bits of wood flying about Thank f**k he's going to Braemar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Donathan said: According to our constitution we cannot be “without a PM” under any circumstances. Hogwash, I’m afraid. There is no explicit constitutional requirement to have a Prime Minister. There is the need to have a Government, but not as such a Prime Minister. The resignation of a Prime Minister does not *automatically* trigger the resignation of other Ministers, but as a matter of convention and practice all Ministers offer their resignation to an incoming Prime Minister rather than force them to sack them, and it’s then their choice whether to reappoint. In practice it seems unlikely that a PM would resign when it was unclear who was best placed to command the confidence of the Commons in their place, and it would be strongly discouraged as it would risk bringing the Queen into making evaluative political judgments (or being seen to) but it cannot be ruled out under our constitutional arrangements. Edited September 6, 2019 by Ad Lib 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 hours ago, SandyCromarty said: Are you aware that the Queen could legally dissolve parliament and call an election, it was last done in 1830. Boris is in Balmoral this weekend. The Monarch remains at all times above the law. Bollocks. The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 governs the dissolution of Parliament and the Queen has absolutely no role in it whatsoever. The statute displaces the historic prerogative power of dissolution. The only thing the Queen has a formal role in as part of the election cycle is notionally setting by proclamation the date of an early election. However she sets that “on the recommendation of the (incumbent) Prime Minister” and only the House of Commons can vote to trigger the conditions under which a proclamation can be made. Parliament is then automatically dissolved on the 25th working day before polling day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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