Guest Jedi Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Reckon this deal will be quite soundly defeated on Saturday, with a few Tories voting it down as well. There will no doubt also be a vote on No Deal which will also be soundly rejected. Following that VONC in the govt to trigger a GE. Result of the GE a hung parliament. Could still see the Liberals doing some deal to put the Tories into power in another coalition...Could be a 2nd Ref, but wouldn't put it past them to drop even that for ministerial seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Link? I'd quite like to see this too. Probably won't though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 This deal will pass and Joris will be blown up at next year's Tory party conference are my predictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Man in a pub told me that Owen Jones just made that up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 The banter timeline demanded this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, johnnydun said: The DUP will not take any pay off now that the UVF have guns pointed at their heids. The UVF have no Guns pointed at anyone where as the IRA control their Political Wing and still give orders to. Sinn Fein As said by the Chief Constable recently the IRA and Sinn Fein are inextricably linked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, sureiknow said: The UVF have no Guns pointed at anyone where as the IRA control their Political Wing and still give orders to. Sinn Fein As said by the Chief Constable recently the IRA and Sinn Fein are inextricably linked. http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/10/16/news/dup-defends-arlene-foster-s-astonishing-meetings-with-senior-loyalists-1739844/ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/27/troubled-past-the-paramilitary-connection-that-still-haunts-the-dup 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, sureiknow said: The UVF have no Guns pointed at anyone where as the IRA control their Political Wing and still give orders to. Sinn Fein As said by the Chief Constable recently the IRA and Sinn Fein are inextricably linked. Yes they do.... http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/10/16/news/dup-defends-arlene-foster-s-astonishing-meetings-with-senior-loyalists-1739844/ Because of this.... http://www.irishnews.com/news/brexit/2019/10/14/news/brexit-loyalists-plan-action-if-boris-johnson-shafts-northern-ireland-1737783/ Not to mention the DUP's ties with Ulster Resistance, that has plenty hard evidence. We all know the historical ties between SF and the IRA, although they are not pressuring SF to do anything on Brexit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 What a mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 53 minutes ago, sureiknow said: The UVF have no Guns pointed at anyone where as the IRA control their Political Wing and still give orders to. Sinn Fein As said by the Chief Constable recently the IRA and Sinn Fein are inextricably linked. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Jedi said: Reckon this deal will be quite soundly defeated on Saturday, with a few Tories voting it down as well. There will no doubt also be a vote on No Deal which will also be soundly rejected. Following that VONC in the govt to trigger a GE. Result of the GE a hung parliament. Could still see the Liberals doing some deal to put the Tories into power in another coalition...Could be a 2nd Ref, but wouldn't put it past them to drop even that for ministerial seats. As much as I dislike the LibDems that will simply not happen. 2 hours ago, Cerberus said: That has more credence than your previous post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 This is the deal that satisfies 'most" of the northern oirlan problems. It really should have been agreed by May when offered back in the day. I reckon it's 50/50 to get through as there are definitely labour mps who have not voted with the Tories on previous deals because of the backstop prepared to this time. Was certainly 1 on newsnight last night. Add to that there were 19 labour mps that wrote to the eu recently wanting a deal.At least 19 of the rebels also now happy as all they rebelled against was no deal threat by Boris. They all believe they are the ones that forced him to actually start negotiating. Many seem quite smug. Terms of numbers It just shows if he had the DUP this would actually be a certainty.I'm a remainer but a realist and in my line of work could do with the certainty of a deal or the certainty of a referendum on a deal. Hope we have one of those 2 by Monday. looks like if there is a deal we should have continue to follow all if not most eu rules to the end of 2020 if not more likely 2022 anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Proodie drugs good Kafflic drugs bad You get it that all paramilitaries over there make their dosh from drugs now right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Probably all hinges on what Labour will do with MPs who vote with BJ on this one. If they really will be deselected, I suspect the numbers won't be there to get it through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Surely this is resolved by overturning the legislation. If the Tories have the numbers to pass Johnson’s ‘deal’ then they have the numbers to do that. Wouldn't they have to overturn the legislation first, before the deal could be accepted? (if it proves to be the case) If the rule is in place it must be adhered to, I'd have thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 hours ago, johnnydun said: Just with Foster having meetings with the UVF and UDA this week, I can only imagine them letting her know that if she votes through any deal that would align NI more with the Republic than with the rest of the UK, there will be repercussions. Terrorist organisations being consulted on the UK's future? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 9 hours ago, johnnydun said: ...We all know the historical ties between SF and the IRA, although they are not pressuring SF to do anything on Brexit. The obvious difference is that SF and the IRA are arguably one and the same thing. That's clearly not the case with the DUP and the UDA (or UVF). It's not safe to assume that Arlene F will follow the advice she received from leading Loyalists any more than she would with advice from business or church leaders. 2 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: Terrorist organisations being consulted on the UK's future? Sometimes they even get to meet the Queen: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: Terrorist organisations being consulted on the UK's future? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Whilst this Brexit deal (or any Brexit deal) isn’t what I want it could be the first step to getting rid of Northern Ireland which is a big win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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