sureiknow Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dindeleux said: Whilst this Brexit deal (or any Brexit deal) isn’t what I want it could be the first step to getting rid of Northern Ireland which is a big win. Just like Scotland, Northern Ireland wants to remain part of the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Just like Scotland, Northern Ireland used to want to remain part of the UK. FTFY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: Wouldn't they have to overturn the legislation first, before the deal could be accepted? (if it proves to be the case) If the rule is in place it must be adhered to, I'd have thought. Unless they incorporate it in Bill going to Parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Probably all hinges on what Labour will do with MPs who vote with BJ on this one. If they really will be deselected, I suspect the numbers won't be there to get it through. Quite a few potential Labour ‘rebels’ are standing down, likely to be deselected and/or close to the end of their Parliamentary careers. I know this doesn’t apply to them all, but it does to a fair number. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Dominic Raab saying this is a brilliant deal for Northern Ireland as they get to remain in the Customs Union and Single Market. So what kind of a deal is it for the rest of us? Even more brilliant, or fucking disastrous? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Interesting piece by Simon Jenkins.Boris Johnson has a deal. Now MPs must end the agony and vote it through.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/17/boris-johnson-deal-mps-dup-brexit-britain? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Just like Scotland, Northern Ireland wants to remain part of the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, sureiknow said: Just like Scotland, Northern Ireland wants to remain part of the UK. Unlike Scotland, the rest of the UK don’t want to keep them hence the new border being proposed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Re the post above about demographics in NI, if the trend between 2001 & 2011 (6% swing to Nationalists & a 3% difference) then there will already be a Nationalist majority - 15 to 20 years that majority will have reached voting age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, btb said: Re the post above about demographics in NI, if the trend between 2001 & 2011 (6% swing to Nationalists & a 3% difference) then there will already be a Nationalist majority - 15 to 20 years that majority will have reached voting age. The Unionists better start procreating pretty soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Had a thought that maybe the ERG have a devious plan. Back the deal on Saturday in the hope that it passes, cancelling the Benn Act, then vote down one of the other necessary bills just before 31st Oct, so we crash out. The DUP have been hinting about something like that. Oliver Letwin's got an amendment that could foil the plan by keeping the Benn Act active until all the secondary legislation is passed, but it could easily get voted down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Imagine living in a country where religion is the main determining factor in the political and electoral process. It’s like something out of the dark ages. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, btb said: Re the post above about demographics in NI, if the trend between 2001 & 2011 (6% swing to Nationalists & a 3% difference) then there will already be a Nationalist majority - 15 to 20 years that majority will have reached voting age. It's nothing like that simple. What you are not being told is that the apparent trend on tribal head count numbers last time around was mainly due to a relatively large influx of Polish and Portuguese economic migrants through being in the EU rather than what was happening amongst people born and raised in NI. That hasn't been continuing to happen at the same rate. Also worth noting that there is a growing group that identifies as neither RC or Protestant because they realise there is no sky fairy. Until recently they have tended to be from a Protestant rather than an RC background, but that's changing so it's quite possible that there will never be 50%+ that identify as Roman Catholic and that both religious groups will slowly recede in the years ahead as rational thought becomes the name of the day. If things do settle down to something reasonable where the border is concerned, UI could quickly fade as a pressing issue. The bizarre thing about what has been happening is that the DUP have appeared to be doing their best to engineer the scenario where that's definitely not the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Imagine living in a country where religion is the main determining factor in the political and electoral process. It’s like something out of the dark ages. Not that long ago in historical terms the SNP were not above stating that they were fighting a "Winning campaign" to try to tap into rampant homophobia being fueled by certain religious figures in the Daily Record. Scotland isn't the same as NI, but that doesn't make it some sort of idyllic Shangri-la. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Not that long ago in historical terms the SNP were not above stating that they were fighting a "Winning campaign" to try to tap into rampant homophobia being fueled by certain religious figures in the Daily Record. Scotland isn't the same as NI, but that doesn't make it some sort of idyllic Shangri-la. ^^^^ trying far too hard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Got a nasty horrible feeling the Govt is going to win the vote tomorrow. So many labour MPs in heavily Leave voting are areas are just absolutely terrified of upsetting their constituents - some of whom can probably demonstrate a violent disposition. So what will the leadership do? It will be nothing more than a slap on the wrists - if that. Corbyn will do f**k all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Got a nasty horrible feeling the Govt is going to win the vote tomorrow. So many labour MPs in heavily Leave voting are areas are just absolutely terrified of upsetting their constituents - some of whom can probably demonstrate a violent disposition. So what will the leadership do? It will be nothing more than a slap on the wrists - if that. Corbyn will do f**k all. Are you saying that the referendum result shouldn't be adhered to regardless of a deal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I won't get back from he game until about 6pm. What time is the vote? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 It's great to see Brexit tearing the union apart and it's even better that it's the unionist parties that's doing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Romeo said: I won't get back from he game until about 6pm. What time is the vote? ^^^Douglas Ross Edited October 18, 2019 by welshbairn 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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