Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[bendan]

1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said:

Due to the NI  problem the EU have hinted strongly on removing the free tariffs and quotas until the situation is resolved,

So they're going to remove the things you earlier said didn't exist?

And a view of the future outcome of the not-yet-signed-never-mind-implemented deal with Australia is a fact already? The bookies must hate you, Sandy.

[SandyCromarty]

15 hours ago, bendan said:

So they're going to remove the things you earlier said didn't exist?

And a view of the future outcome of the not-yet-signed-never-mind-implemented deal with Australia is a fact already? The bookies must hate you, Sandy.

So you prefer not answer the facts that we've laid out on these supposed "fantastic" trade deals, nor do you respond to McCormacks boast that Australia has no lube screwed the uk, instead you inform me that I have a problem with bookies.

Brilliant, another head in the sand, Boris just loves people like you.

Are you based in buckinghamshire?

[coprolite]

On 18/06/2021 at 18:06, bendan said:

You're a bit confused, Sandy, though you're not alone. We have an FTA with the EU - no quotas and no tariffs. We've just agreed an FTA with Australia that will retain quotas on some agricultural products for a transitional period. You could argue that neither represents 'free trade' seeing as non-tariff barriers are substantial, but it affects both of them.

 

On 18/06/2021 at 19:19, Baxter Parp said:

On 18/06/2021 at 17:48, Granny Danger said:

I’ve spoken to a couple of suppliers who are affected to some degree by Brexit.  They share the view that the problems (and potentially bigger problems to come) are structural rather than teething problems.  In other words, things are not getting better any time soon.
Only a free trade agreement with the EU will change this and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

We have a free trade agreement with the EU. Unfortunately, its only free of tariffs, not red tape. We won't have unfettered trade until we join the customs union and agree to abide by the rules of the single market.

 

23 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Which is only six weeks old and is skeletal compared to what we had pre-brexit, tariffs are free Ok, it's alright for Boris a Co to crow that this is a great deal but time will tell when the EU bureaucracy kicks in, we already see the problems with NI.

As a non EU member this is not so much a Free Trade Agreement but more of a Free Trade Association with a club the uk does not belong to.

France alone will make it very difficult for the uk.

On a social level, as of next year uk residents will require an Etias Visa Waiver to enter EU countries which they will have to pay for. 

The US Esta Visa Waiver cost around £10.00 and it must be done individually, so that's an extra cost for a family of four if the EU charges similar. And we all know how difficult the US border control are, especially if you have a criminal record of any kind.

We don't have a tarrif free deal with the EU. 

Only goods that meet the rules of origin criteria are tarrif free. 

That's a very important distinction for supply chains. 

[Jacksgranda]

35 minutes ago, coprolite said:

 

 

We don't have a tarrif free deal with the EU. 

Only goods that meet the rules of origin criteria are tarrif free. 

That's a very important distinction for supply chains. 

If you don't supply chains you're O.K., then?

[bendan]

1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said:

So you prefer not answer the facts that we've laid out on these supposed "fantastic" trade deals, nor do you respond to McCormacks boast that Australia has no lube screwed the uk, 

You've not laid out any facts.

Happy to look at any links you've got to McCormack boasting that Australia has no lube screwed the UK. So far I've only seen him claim that Australian producers are the winners. In case you hadn't realised, he's an Australian politician. Some people might expect him to say things like this, in the same way UK government ministers tend to claim the deals they make are great for the country. Quite why anyone would think of claims like these as facts is baffling.

Edited June 20, 2021 by bendan

[bendan]

43 minutes ago, coprolite said:

 

 

We don't have a tarrif free deal with the EU. 

Only goods that meet the rules of origin criteria are tarrif free. 

That's a very important distinction for supply chains. 

Are there FTAs that don't include rules of origin criteria, where the parties are not in a customs union?

[aDONisSheep]

49 minutes ago, coprolite said:

 

 

We don't have a tarrif free deal with the EU. 

Only goods that meet the rules of origin criteria are tarrif free. 

That's a very important distinction for supply chains. 

Rules of origin are a huge burden on our goods exporters and the hauliers.  If you have a shared shipping container, you are dependent on all the paperwork, from all the other suppliers for all the goods are in order.

Not only that, but some local authorities are being asked to certify goods, which means that they are spending money and tying up resources to help businesses comply.

This at the same time as they are expected to enforce Covid regs.

What a fucking clusterfuck, the sunny uplands of Brexit are.

Edited June 20, 2021 by aDONisSheep

[coprolite]

4 minutes ago, bendan said:

Are there FTAs that don't include rules of origin criteria, where the parties are not in a customs union?

I'd doubt it, but that doesn't mean we have no tarrifs 

[bendan]

3 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I'd doubt it, but that doesn't mean we have no tarrifs 

Don't you think you're being a bit picky with language here when you can't spell tariff?

How should we here on P&B describe the deals that the rest of the world considers tariff-free trade agreements? 

[bendan]

16 minutes ago, aDONisSheep said:

Rules of origin are a huge burden on our goods exporters and the hauliers. 

Non-tariff barriers are far more of a problem than tariff barriers in most cases. RoO is a big issue for a country like the UK that imports a lot of raw materials and parts for assembly or processing.

[coprolite]

2 hours ago, bendan said:

Don't you think you're being a bit picky with language here when you can't spell tariff?

How should we here on P&B describe the deals that the rest of the world considers tariff-free trade agreements? 

f**k off twat

[speckled tangerine]

Oh.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-collapse-in-british-exports-hands-irish-republic-a-trade-surplus/ar-AALnUFh

"

A collapse in British exports to the Irish Republic since Brexit has handed Dublin an extraordinary trade surplus with London, new figures show.

The Irish government says new trading red tape explains a €2 billion plunge in the value of goods sales – 47.6 per cent in the first quarter of this year, compared with the start of 2020."

Teething troubles.

[Soapy FFC]

And so it begins ...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/24/ee-reintroduces-roaming-charges-for-uk-users-in-europe

 

[Theroadlesstravelled]

11 hours ago, speckled tangerine said:

Oh.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-collapse-in-british-exports-hands-irish-republic-a-trade-surplus/ar-AALnUFh

"

A collapse in British exports to the Irish Republic since Brexit has handed Dublin an extraordinary trade surplus with London, new figures show.

The Irish government says new trading red tape explains a €2 billion plunge in the value of goods sales – 47.6 per cent in the first quarter of this year, compared with the start of 2020."

Teething troubles.

The gammon are too busy ripping the head of it over our oary boat taking on the Russians in Crimea.

[Baxter Parp]

On 24/06/2021 at 20:24, Soapy FFC said:

And so it begins ...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/24/ee-reintroduces-roaming-charges-for-uk-users-in-europe

 

[Soapy FFC]

24 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Of course, it's the 'nasty' networks fault for this, not Brexit that removed the barriers that prevented the networks doing what they've always done. 

[Shipa]

2 hours ago, Soapy FFC said:

Of course, it's the 'nasty' networks fault for this, not Brexit that removed the barriers that prevented the networks doing what they've always done. 

A venn diagram of "furious" O2 customers and Brexit voters will be very close to a circle.

[Baxter Parp]

Ben gets it wildly wrong.

[Baxter Parp]

Shot followed by a chaser.

[Jacksgranda]

9 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Ben gets it wildly wrong.

Maybe I've picked this up wrong, but surely if we were still in the EU these charges couldn't be introduced, so it is the result of Brexit.

A bit of a nuisance, because if I strayed anywhere near the Donegal border I  used to get a message "You are now liable for roaming charges", or words to that effect, so no doubt this will apply again when my phone provider reintroduces these charges.