Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Ira Gaines]

Oh, on the citizenship thing, one of my best mates is leaving the country because, despite never living anywhere else and being born here, his daughter can't get citizenship. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

"This group is bad."

How dare you call this bad group bad. You are bad because you called them bad.

If you're going to virtue signal, try making sense and try not defending a group of vermin like Tories

[vikingTON]

Out of interest, what would you do in the SNP’s shoes? 

Refuse any GE bill without the concession of an independence referendum as a quid pro quo - ideally by permanently moving that power to Holyrood. It would be unlikely for that offer to be taken up of course, but that move would set out the stakes clearly before any election campaign and would allow them to keep Johnson to be humiliated by a rebellious Parliament into the new year. Emptying wandering hands Thomson and a dozen Tory goons - delicious as it will undoubtedly be - ultimately does nothing to progress the cause.

The same offer should have been on the table for both May and Johnson’s Brexit ‘deals’. It’s not the SNP’s job (and they’re not capable) to steer the entire UK towards remaining in the EU: the fundamental task is to give Scotland the chance to self-determine their own relationship with Europe. Instead they’re now relying on the most unpopular opposition leader in polling history to avoid getting comprehensively shoed across gammonland or the whim of Boris Johnson to take a power that rightfully belonged to Scotland already. It is a strategic mistake that could easily haunt them.

[BFTD]

Nice to see original recipe Oaksoft back now the alias accounts have been binned. Hopeful for some real raging meltdowns as we approach the season of family togetherness and good cheer.

[Londonwell]

18 minutes ago, virginton said:

 

Refuse any GE bill without the concession of an independence referendum as a quid pro quo - ideally by permanently moving that power to Holyrood. It would be unlikely for that offer to be taken up of course, but that move would set out the stakes clearly before any election campaign and would allow them to keep Johnson to be humiliated by a rebellious Parliament into the new year. Emptying wandering hands Thomson and a dozen Tory goons - delicious as it will undoubtedly be - ultimately does nothing to progress the cause.

The same offer should have been on the table for both May and Johnson’s Brexit ‘deals’. It’s not the SNP’s job (and they’re not capable) to steer the entire UK towards remaining in the EU: the fundamental task is to give Scotland the chance to self-determine their own relationship with Europe. Instead they’re now relying on the most unpopular opposition leader in polling history to avoid getting comprehensively shoed across gammonland or the whim of Boris Johnson to take a power that rightfully belonged to Scotland already. It is a strategic mistake that could easily haunt them.

 

Thanks for that, as ever a lot of sense in there. However, you admit yourself that such an offer would never be taken by this Gov (or any Tory Gov imo) so I'm unsure how that would further the cause either.

If there's a Tory majority and the SNP perform well then Indy/IndyRef will end up in the courts imo.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Londonwell

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Refuse any GE bill without the concession of an independence referendum as a quid pro quo - ideally by permanently moving that power to Holyrood. It would be unlikely for that offer to be taken up of course, but that move would set out the stakes clearly before any election campaign and would allow them to keep Johnson to be humiliated by a rebellious Parliament into the new year. Emptying wandering hands Thomson and a dozen Tory goons - delicious as it will undoubtedly be - ultimately does nothing to progress the cause.

The same offer should have been on the table for both May and Johnson’s Brexit ‘deals’. It’s not the SNP’s job (and they’re not capable) to steer the entire UK towards remaining in the EU: the fundamental task is to give Scotland the chance to self-determine their own relationship with Europe. Instead they’re now relying on the most unpopular opposition leader in polling history to avoid getting comprehensively shoed across gammonland or the whim of Boris Johnson to take a power that rightfully belonged to Scotland already. It is a strategic mistake that could easily haunt them.

Interesting you mention strategy there - I've become concerned at the SNP's ability to differentiate between it and tactics.

[ICTJohnboy]

That Deputy Speaker (Lindsay Hoyle) seem like a total arse. Sounds like something out The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club  (affiliated).  Google it if you've never heard of it.

Bercow is going to be seriously missed. I hope he'll be persuaded to stay on after the GE.

[Detournement]

The Tories are 100% going to take the Spanish position on independence. 

[Pet Jeden]

50 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

"This group is bad."

How dare you call this bad group bad. You are bad because you called them bad.

If you're going to virtue signal, try making sense and try not defending a group of vermin like Tories

Ideally, you play the ball and not the man. You say that person's ideas are bad/dangerous/repugnant - whatever. Okay, so  sometimes we all see the red mist and say that the person is bad/dangerous/repugnant. The problem with the vermin tag is this. What do we do with vermin? We exterminate vermin. It's beyond the pale to call a person, let alone a whole group of people, vermin. The implication is that the person or group of people deserve nothing better than extermination. Sane people don't mean it literally -  on this site, it's just intended as a virtue signal of how macho and left wing the poster is. But it's the sort of language and imagery that ultimately encourages the unhinged in society towards actions like the Jo Cox murder. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by Pet Jeden

[Ira Gaines]

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Ideally, you play the ball and not the man. You say that person's ideas are bad/dangerous/repugnant - whatever. Okay, so  sometimes we all see the red mist and say that the person is bad/dangerous/repugnant. The problem with the vermin tag is this. What do we do with vermin? We exterminate vermin. It's beyond the pale to call a person, let alone a whole group of people, vermin. The implication is that the person or group of people deserve nothing better than extermination. Sane people don't mean it literally -  on this site, it's just intended as a virtue signal of how macho and left wing the poster is. But it's the sort of language and imagery that ultimately encourages the unhinged in society towards actions like the Jo Cox murder. 

...and you and your little tirade with the one indisputable example of why it is more than acceptable to describe those on the far right as vermin.
Anyone who has any shred of agreement with a Party which deports our own citizens, allows its veterans to sleep on the streets, watches as avoidable early death numbers spiral upwards, and has sold off every National asset it can get it's grubby thieving hands on, is, in my mind, lower than vermin. At least my daughter's rats seem to get on well together and co exist in peace.

[Wee-Bey]

This only works if you consider Tories as human and not reptilian ghouls.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

No [emoji23]

Dundee. He used to be a socialist which is pretty wild, then for whatever reason became a fan of fat racist Richard Littlejohn and the Daily Mail.

Bizarre.

Sounds like my mother.

[Ira Gaines]

Remember when oaksoft said someone couldn't be an MP because they didn't have enough "life experience"?

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Exactly.
It beggars belief that you needed to point this out to a presumably normally functioning adult but there you go.

Tell you what, why don't you and Pet Sounds compile a list of what you consider to be acceptable insults ?

Failing that, both of you bugger off to the People's Friend.

[sophia]

40 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

That Deputy Speaker (Lindsay Hoyle) seem like a total arse. Sounds like something out The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club  (affiliated).  Google it if you've never heard of it.

Bercow is going to be seriously missed. I hope he'll be persuaded to stay on after the GE.

^^^^

Arse Hoyle

[Ira Gaines]

Absolutely guaranteed that if we were talking about SNP politicians, these two sad sacks would be nowhere to be seen.

[ICTJohnboy]

23 minutes ago, sophia said:

^^^^

Arse Hoyle

 

I'd forgotten about that exchange. Thanks for posting.

Hoyle will go down well with the 50+ odd SNP MPs if (God forbid) he gets the gig.

 

[beefybake]

I've lost track.

Is there going to be a vote on  amendments to allow 16/17 year olds, and settled EU nationals ..... to vote in the GE ?

Edited October 29, 2019 by beefybake

[ICTJohnboy]

34 minutes ago, sophia said:

^^^^

Arse Hoyle

 

Don't think Eleanor Laing will get the gig either.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by ICTJohnboy