topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If you were going to adjust policy for the bad times ahead then it should have been adjusted in the first quarter when the economic outlook was worse than it is currently. There has certainly been no evidence of the dire consequences that we were being warned about from the ex-Chancellor and the Treasury. You do know we haven't actually left the EU yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: You do know we haven't actually left the EU yet? Very aware. Do you know that the warnings were what would happen if there was a Leave vote and not what would be required when we left. The actual quote the week before the vote was: Quote A vote to leave would hurt businesses, hurt investment and cost jobs. There would be difficult decisions – decisions that begin next Friday. There would have to be an emergency Budget to fill a £30billion black hole. Today we are setting out the difficult decisions we would have to take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Norways says no to a trade deal lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 Norways says no to a trade deal lol Agree with them. They are doing super fine without right wing uk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, doulikefish said: Norways says no to a trade deal lol Link please. I can't find any article to back up that claim. Norway cannot say no. Norway is part of the EEA customs union and has ceded its powers over trade to the EU. Britain will be negotiating the terms of access to the EEA, and therefore Norway, in its negotiations with the EU. Of course, Britain may yet choose to join the EEA... Edited October 11, 2016 by Bishop Briggs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 No trade deals with UK until Brexit is complete, says Norway's Prime Minister Quote "Britain must clarify its position", she said, "Then the EU must decide how they want to work with this and then we need to decide on our position." Quickest googling ever btw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said: No trade deals with UK until Brexit is complete, says Norway's Prime Minister Quickest googling ever btw. Thanks. I use other search engines. Have you read that article? It is a total non-story. Britain cannot sign any trade bilateral deals with any country, including Norway, until Brexit is complete. Until then, both countries are in the Single Market/EEA customs union with the EU determining trade policy. If Britain joins EFTA and the EEA post Brexit, the current arrangements will continue anyway. The main issue for Norway and Britain to decide will be the North Sea fisheries policies post Brexit. Iceland will have to be involved too. There is a fantastic opportunity to develop a sustainable alternative to the disastrous Common Fisheries Policy which destroyed the British fishing fleet, especially in Grimsby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 They asked for talks on a trade deal pre-brexit. Norway told them to bolt. Did you read the article? And what other search engines does anyone use? Serious question, you're not asking Jeeves are you? One might well ask why the CFP is viewed as a disaster. There was loads of good writing pre-referendum explaining why it was imperfect but much, much, (infinitely) better than attempting to ask fish to stay within lines on a map. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: They asked for talks on a trade deal pre-brexit. Norway told them to bolt. Did you read the article? And what other search engines does anyone use? Serious question, you're not asking Jeeves are you? One might well ask why the CFP is viewed as a disaster. There was loads of good writing pre-referendum explaining why it was imperfect but much, much, (infinitely) better than attempting to ask fish to stay within lines on a map. I read the article fully. Where does it say that Britain asked for talks with Norway? Even if Britain leaves the EEA, the EU will negotiate and sign the EEA/UK trade deal. Norway has no power to negotiate separate deals. Btw, on search engines, have you heard of Bing, Yahoo or Duckduckgo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Actually not heard of duckduckgo. The other 2 are nonsense tho. Quote Business daily Dagens Næringsliv reported that the UK’s international trade secretary, Liam Fox, lobbied his Norwegian counterpart, Minister of Trade and Industry Monica Mæland, for Norway to join the United Kingdom in establishing a task force to prepare a new trade agreement for when the Brits formally leave the EU. But when Fox’s request was relayed to the Norwegian Foreign Ministry, it was rejected. According to Dagens Næringsliv, the ministry’s director general for European affairs, Niels Engelschiøn, thought that joining the UK in a special task force would jeopardize Norway’s European Economic Area (EEA) agreement. https://www.thelocal.no/20161010/norway-rejected-post-brexit-cooperation-with-uk TBF if greasy Liam hadn't been asking for this he wouldn't have been doing his job. As mental and as pointless as it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Britain can't engage in talks on trade deals until it leaves the EU. At best, countries can be "sounded out" about a deal when we actually leave. Norway's response therefore seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't see anything other than a non-story here either. Of more concern would be a Norwegian parliamentarian's reservations about the UK joining EFTA and distorting the balance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, kilbowie2002 said: Thus accepting (without the current influence we have)all EU rules over trade and those 'mad eu laws on bread' that all the mouth foaming brexiters rejected. Taking back control or something. EEA membership, with an emergency break on immigration, could be a transition phase towards full Brexit. The Treasury seems to pushing for EEA membership. It seems that May wants a bilateral free trade agreement with the EEA, but not Single Market membership. It's all just speculation until the negotiations begin formally next year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Michael W said: Britain can't engage in talks on trade deals until it leaves the EU. At best, countries can be "sounded out" about a deal when we actually leave. Norway's response therefore seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't see anything other than a non-story here either. Of more concern would be a Norwegian parliamentarian's reservations about the UK joining EFTA and distorting the balance. I don't believe that EFTA membership is a condition of joining the EEA. Norway cannot veto Britain joining the EEA post Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: With our ageing population we badly need immigration. Why the fcuk did people not consider absolutely ever aspect of brexit before making an absolute cnut of the economy?? Because it is easier to swallow bite sized chunks of primary colour, emotive nonsense than have to consider the actual ramifications. And folk were spoon fed these flag waving memes by c***s. I'm not saying all leave voters are idiots, far from it. But leave certainly captured the market. Interesting article in the New Statesmen, on bias. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: With our ageing population we badly need immigration. Why the fcuk did people not consider absolutely ever aspect of brexit before making an absolute cnut of the economy?? Brexit will not end immigration from EU countries. It will, however, give our Government control over who is allowed to work and settle here. Migrants from EU countries will be treated equally with migrants from non-EU countries. Btw, the Vote Leave campaigners are very-pro immigration, e.g. Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Gisela Stuart and Douglas Carswell. It was UKIP that had the nasty anti-immigration messages on its posters and in its leaflets. Edited October 11, 2016 by Bishop Briggs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, kilbowie2002 said: We currently are in such a desperate need for immigration that we cant afford to pick and choose based on nationality. Post Brexit, the elected Government can choose to let everyone in if it needs to. The issue is one of democratic control of borders - not race or nationality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: The democratically elected government appoints its ministers to the council of ministers to work with democratically elected MEP's to devise legislation. What's undemocratic about that? Post brexit the unelected house of lords can block such legislation. Sorry but that is an argument against the house of Lords, not for the EU. Unless you think that the EU acted in the UK interest above all else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: The democratically elected government appoints its ministers to the council of ministers to work with democratically elected MEP's to devise legislation. What's undemocratic about that? Post brexit the unelected house of lords can block such legislation. Under Qualified Majority Voting, The Council of Ministers from other countries can out-vote British Ministers on the vast majority of legislation. They are democratically accountable to the British electorate but can impose vast amounts of legislation on the British and Scottish Parliaments. Under the current treaties, EU law has supremacy over British law. The House of Lords is a revising chamber. The British Government can use the Parliament Act if it blocks legislation passed by the House of Commons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, kilbowie2002 said: No its an argument which i quite rightly make when people suggest the EU is undemocratic. The appointments to the council of ministers is as democratic as appointments to the HoL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Post Brexit, the elected Government can choose to let everyone in if it needs to. The issue is one of democratic control of borders - not race or nationality. Have they been controlling the amount of immigrants from outside of the EU ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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