kirkyblue2 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 50 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Well, no. It's possible to make assertions based on what's happening. That's like the entire point of a forum. He said what was going to happen were facts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I see a lot of mocking the "take back control" slogan. How many of you would vote to remain in the U.K. If You believed Scotland would gain no financial advantage from separation? Most on here seemed to be motivated by a desire to take control from Westminster-not financial considerations and the fortunes of big business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 It is a fact that our trade will become more expensive as a result of brexit, all of the things ive said will happen will happen as a result of this. The very essence of going from free trade to non free trade means that it's inevitable. Trade with the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: It is a fact that our trade will become more expensive as a result of brexit, all of the things ive said will happen will happen as a result of this. The very essence of going from free trade to non free trade means that it's inevitable. Applying WTO tariff rules, due to the UK trade deficit with EU, the UK would be around £8 billion a year better off. The EU customs union's tariffs makes trade more expensive. That why Canada was so desperate to negotiate a trade deal to abolish 98% of those tariffs. The reality is that the Single Market is not a free market. It's a highly regulated and protectionist racket. Real free trade does not need trade deals that gives power to bureaucrats - just the abolition of tariffs and corrupt rackets like the CAP and ETS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: It is a fact that our trade will become more expensive as a result of brexit, all of the things ive said will happen will happen as a result of this. The very essence of going from free trade to non free trade means that it's inevitable. Ok, how poorer are we going to be? How hard will it be to travel to Europe? How hard will it be to start a new business? How hard will it be to employ labour from abroad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 It's hilarious to see the gNat brains on here greeting like wee bairns over Brexit. If Scotland had voted Yes in 2014, it would be out of the EU and the Single Market by now. It would also have had to apply to join the WTO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Theresa May at this moment has several Saudi cocks in her, trying to save the UK from turning into a banana republic. The least you could do is try and keep it civil. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: Current figures show that growth is reducing, there is already a slow down in business investment, the pound has fallen in value by around 12% against the pound. Everything suggests we are going to be poorer, what hasnt been confirmed is just how much its going to be. Travel to Europe will depend on what deal they strike but it wont be as free and easy as it currently is, moving to Europe for work etc we'll be subject to the same migration rules as non EU states, travel will undoubtedly be more difficult. Best case scenario we're only inconvenienced with time waiting in the non EU queue.Starting a business will be more difficult due to trade tariffs which knock on the cost of buying from our closest neighbours, trading with them. If you're planning on manufacturing the cost of raw materials will be more expensive, if your planning on offering a service the figures show the ability to hire hard working foreign workers (who make up a large proportion of the service sector) will be more expensive, financial institutions won't have access to the single market. Those are all guesses based upon a very "hard" Brexit. The Government will be able to reduce tariffs on goods and raw materials from non-EU countries. It's easy to travel to most non-EU countries without visas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: It's easy to travel to most non-EU countries without visas. He never said travel he said for "work" Edited April 4, 2017 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: That myth was roundly knocked into the long grass by the spanish this weekend. Nonsense! The Spanish Foreign Minister said that an independent Scotland will still have to apply as a new entrant under article 49, not article 48 as in the White Paper. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu "Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, made it clear that the government would not block an independent Scotland’s EU hopes, although he stressed that Madrid would not welcome the disintegration of the UK. He also said Edinburgh would have to apply for membership, a process fraught with uncertainty that is likely to take several years." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Bishop Briggs said: Nonsense! The Spanish Foreign Minister said that an independent Scotland will still have to apply as a new entrant under article 49, not article 48 as in the White Paper. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu "Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, made it clear that the government would not block an independent Scotland’s EU hopes, although he stressed that Madrid would not welcome the disintegration of the UK. He also said Edinburgh would have to apply for membership, a process fraught with uncertainty that is likely to take several years." "A process fraught with uncertainty that is likely to take several years" - doesn't that describe England and Wales' Brexit process? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, doulikefish said: He never said travel he said for "work" No he didn't. The comment on work was in relation to moving to Europe. He then said that "travel will undoubtedly be more difficult". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: Current figures show that growth is reducing, there is already a slow down in business investment, the pound has fallen in value by around 12% against the pound. Everything suggests we are going to be poorer, what hasnt been confirmed is just how much its going to be.Travel to Europe will depend on what deal they strike but it wont be as free and easy as it currently is, moving to Europe for work etc we'll be subject to the same migration rules as non EU states, travel will undoubtedly be more difficult. Best case scenario we're only inconvenienced with time waiting in the non EU queue. Starting a business will be more difficult due to trade tariffs which knock on the cost of buying from our closest neighbours, trading with them. If you're planning on manufacturing the cost of raw materials will be more expensive, if your planning on offering a service the figures show the ability to hire hard working foreign workers (who make up a large proportion of the service sector) will be more expensive, financial institutions won't have access to the single market. 2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: No he didn't. The comment on work was in relation to moving to Europe. He then said that "travel will undoubtedly be more difficult". Aye never mentioned work at all Edited April 4, 2017 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Antlion said: "A process fraught with uncertainty that is likely to take several years" - doesn't that describe England and Wales' Brexit process? In case you haven't noticed, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be leaving the EU with England and Wales. Over a million Scots, including a third of SNP supporters, voted to Leave the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 minute ago, doulikefish said: Aye never mentioned work at all I didn't say that. Kilbowie's comments on travel were separate to "moving for work". It's to early to say that anything "WILL" happen until the Brexit deal is done. The Scottish independence deal with rUK will much be more complex than the Brexit deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: In case you haven't noticed, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be leaving the EU with England and Wales. This is both unpalatable yet true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: I meant both! Travel will be more difficult, especially as we'll be outwith the open skies arrangement meaning its very likely that it'll cost more for a start. Are you honestly suggesting that a deal will not be done on air travel? Think how much EU Members, especially Spain, gain from British tourism. An air deal will near the top of the agenda. Air Passenger Duty is the biggest barrier to cheap air travel to Europe. The sooner it's abolished, the better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: Are you honestly suggesting that a deal will not be done on air travel? Think how much EU Members, especially Spain, gain from British tourism. Not as much as from other eu member states.Where will they go if they cant go to the eu on the ryanair/easyjet cheapos? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Just now, doulikefish said: Not as much as from other eu member states.Where will they go if they cant go to the eu on the ryanair/easyjet cheapos? Why would Ryanair or Easyjet be treated differently to other airlines? That would be discriminatory and against WTO rules. There are several European airlines, including "cheap operators", that have operated to and from Britain. Do you honestly think that the EU and Member States will want to stuff them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: Why would Ryanair or Easyjet be treated differently to other airlines? That would be discriminatory and against WTO rules. There are several European airlines, including "cheap operators", that have operated to and from Britain. Do you honestly think that the EU and Member States will want to stuff them? Where would all these people that fly to Spain from the Uk go to on there weekend breaks??I think that makes the question clear now Edited April 4, 2017 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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