BFTD Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 You can see exactly why the Republicans have been so keen to exert control over the judiciary. It's most amusing that they're such massive c***s that not even a hugely skewed Supreme Court can bring themselves to vote in favour every time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Serial Lying Jobbie Cohen getting battered by Trump's lawyers for being a serial lying jobbie. He's the hero The Democrats Party deserves, and the the one it needs right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 4 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Serial Lying Jobbie Cohen getting battered by Trump's lawyers for being a serial lying jobbie. He's the hero The Democrats Party deserves, and the the one it needs right now. It's a bold move from the prosecution to rely on a star witness who has literally been sent to prison for his lying. This is one of my favourite headlines from the trial so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 There's a bit of a pattern of Trump employees getting jail time for being lying jobbies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 All the prosecution need to do is show that Cohen’s testimony (backed up by documents, texts, tweets, recordings, other witness statements, etc.) is more credible than the case the defence are making. Thy have a reasonable chance of doing this. I know juries are not supposed to draw inferences from a defendant not giving evidence but it’s fair to say they will and I cannot see even Trump being stupid and egotistical enough to take the stand. I predict his excuse for not giving evidence afterwards was that he was under a gag order and his thick-as-shit supporters will buy that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 No chance that Trump will take the stand - he'll cite that as him giving credibility to something he doesn't think should be happening. I don't think Trump's lawyers battered anyone. Shouty, aye. Cohen remained pretty open that he'd lied and wanted Trump sent down so acknowledged his own prejudice. Question for the jury is whether they believe he's telling the truth now. Trump's a c**t and a racketeer so I don't think Cohen is telling anyone something new. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 My assumption is he lied to protect Trump in hope of getting a pardon, and I'd imagine the jury think the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Despite all his bluff and bluster I note that Trump has made sure not to violate the gag order since being threatened with jail time. If he’s found guilty in this case (quite possible) and incarcerated (less likely) he’d be totally fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 15 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Despite all his bluff and bluster I note that Trump has made sure not to violate the gag order since being threatened with jail time. If he’s found guilty in this case (quite possible) and incarcerated (less likely) he’d be totally fucked. I hope somebody's taking note of that fact that there are apparently some things that put the shits up him. He's a bigger wuss than I thought. It's not like they'd be sticking him in general pop at Rikers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 He was bragging about having his GOP surrogates mouthing off about the judge's daughter on his behalf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 31 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He was bragging about having his GOP surrogates mouthing off about the judge's daughter on his behalf. He's old enough now that he'll likely die first, but over enough time it's inevitable that he'd put himself in serious avoidable bother from his inability to keep his fucking mouth shut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Despite all his bluff and bluster I note that Trump has made sure not to violate the gag order since being threatened with jail time. If he’s found guilty in this case (quite possible) and incarcerated (less likely) he’d be totally fucked. I also suspect, he will be found guilty, but with all the counts basically identical, it’ll likely be all or nothing. The charges are Non-violent, Class E Felonies in New York. These are the lowest level of felony in New York, and carry up to a 4 year sentence (with no minimum, per charge) in State jail. It is very common to see non-custodial sentences handed down for these sorts of charges, perhaps probation or conditional discharge. Either one might include terms that Trump may find very difficult to comply with, thus providing an amuse-bouche from the judge Donald has been berating. Also, the underlying falsification charges are a Class B Misdemeanor, and only elevated to Felony due to the commission in the course of another crime…so the jury could elect to convict on Misdemeanor charges instead (good chance), or some mixture (unlikely). That would result in a maximum sentence of 3 months in State jail (again, per charge) Prediction: Guilty on misdemeanor falsification, sentence of one year probation, with terms to include “no contact with known criminals” (that’s a problem for Trump, given all his primary advisors seem to collect charges like stamps), “no visiting or residing in high crime areas” (what was it Donald said about Washington D.C.?), a possible “curfew”, perhaps “drug testing” and (hopefully) “community service”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 That'll be yer Rudy Giuliani taunting the Attorney General about having avoided being served an indictment in the Arizona fake electors scheme, only to be served half an hour later, storming out of his birthday party in the huff, and taking down his gloating tweet. Honestly, if he claims dementia in the end, I'd be inclined to believe it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Cohen admits stealing $30,000 from the 'Trump Organization'. Trump only needs 1 juror to believe he's not guilty to avoid prosecution. Sphincters tightening everywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 12 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Cohen admits stealing $30,000 from the 'Trump Organization'. Trump only needs 1 juror to believe he's not guilty to avoid prosecution. Sphincters tightening everywhere. If you can't trust a crooked lawyer and admitted thief previously jailed for lying during legal proceedings, who can you trust? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 29 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Cohen admits stealing $30,000 from the 'Trump Organization'. Trump only needs 1 juror to believe he's not guilty to avoid prosecution. Sphincters tightening everywhere. Not quite true. It would enable him to avoid conviction for now, but he could be retried. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Trump won’t testify. Colour me shocked! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Trump won’t testify. Colour me shocked! Absolute shitebag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, HTG said: Absolute shitebag. Aye but so is Trump. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 11 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Trump won’t testify. Colour me shocked! Surprised he hasn't trotted out the "I can't testify" line again, but Merchan shut that down pretty hard last time he used it. The interesting thing is the decision by the defendant to testify or not is one of the few things the defendant controls in a trial. The defence counsel controls most of the stuff, but cannot block the defendant from taking the stand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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