Burnie_man Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Disciplinary meeting tonight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 19/08/2018 at 10:41, LongTimeLurker said: On 19/08/2018 at 09:22, Clayhole Blue said: Exactly the kind of thing which has happened to numerous clubs in leagues at all levels, e.g. Rangers, Hearts, Livingston, Airdrie et al. My own club has also had financial problems. They don’t reflect well on the people in charge of the finances at the club would be my first observation. It's the inability of a club to attract new players through open training sessions that is most embarrassing for the LL. Even with Hawick relegated, there are still at least two too many Borders clubs involved for what that region of the country can sensibly sustain at a tier 5 level. How is it embarrassing for the LL? To be fair you aren't the first to draw the simplistic comparison that Selkirk struggling is in someway something that the LL should be rightly embarrassed by. The league itself has cometely nothing to do with Selkirk struggling..... It's Selkirks issue and the LL appears to be following its due processes for such instances, I'm not sure the league can do anything other than they are doing. To use Selkirks situation as a vehicle to try and have a jab at the LL isn't an intelligent approach surely? Unless I have picked you up wrong which is entirely possible of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, G4Mac said: How is it embarrassing for the LL? To be fair you aren't the first to draw the simplistic comparison that Selkirk struggling is in someway something that the LL should be rightly embarrassed by. The league itself has cometely nothing to do with Selkirk struggling..... It's Selkirks issue and the LL appears to be following its due processes for such instances, I'm not sure the league can do anything other than they are doing. To use Selkirks situation as a vehicle to try and have a jab at the LL isn't an intelligent approach surely? Unless I have picked you up wrong which is entirely possible of course. What are the financial requirements to comply with entry level Licence criteria? The SFA probably have a question to answer more than the LL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) I would suggest that the SFA will have people to assure the financial aspects of the clubs operating in the pyramid, however if the club hide or don't declare things what can they do?....... Rangers got away with it for years...... I just feel that some will use whatever the outcome is to narrow mindedly take a pop at the LL because that fits their anti-pyramid narrative. It's not a prudent approach, yes the Selkirk scenario might not be great, but it isn't the league to be held accountable or embarrassed by it. Edited August 21, 2018 by Guest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, G4Mac said: I would suggest that the SFA will have people to assure the financial aspects of the clubs operating in the pyramid, however if the club hide or don't declare things what can they do?....... Rangers got away with it for years...... I just feel that some will use whatever the outcome is to narrow mindedly take a pop at the LL because that fits their anti-pyramid narrative. It's not a prudent approach, yes the Selkirk scenario might not be great, but it isn't the league to be held accountable or embarrassed by it. In don't disagree the LL are not to blame in any way, but it's also true that it doesn't reflect well that this situation is happening at the 5th tier. Re the SFA, perhaps they need to review the financial side of Licencing which seem fairly lax, whilst others areas appear overly excessive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: In don't disagree the LL are not to blame in any way, but it's also true that it doesn't reflect well that this situation is happening at the 5th tier. Re the SFA, perhaps they need to review the financial side of Licencing which seem fairly lax, whilst others areas appear overly excessive. Clubs certainly have to submit annual accounts to the SFA, I know that much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soor Plooms Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 That's a joke! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: That's a joke! What would you have done then ? They haven't a pot to piss in yet are expected to find £250 from somewhere ? Looks if anything like it's adding even more pressure on them ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: What would you have done then ? They haven't a pot to piss in yet are expected to find £250 from somewhere ? Looks if anything like it's adding even more pressure on them ? What's the point of fining a club with no money? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter's Nutmeg Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Ffs!! They should do the honourable thing and take a year out. Asking supporters for £250 is a joke, when the club has been financially mismanaged for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter's Nutmeg Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: What's the point of fining a club with no money? That’s maybe the point if it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Baxter's Nutmeg said: Ffs!! They should do the honourable thing and take a year out. Asking supporters for £250 is a joke, when the club has been financially mismanaged for years. 7 hours ago, Baxter's Nutmeg said: That’s maybe the point if it? And no guaranteeing by putting a team on the park it won't happen again! They won't get £250 though the gate. This could well be the nail in the coffin sadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 PATHETIC result and decision from the League Therefore if a Club cant raise their full team they can call off at the last minute and get a £125 fine per game ? that is a decent offer for some Clubs They should have given Selkirk a negative points award say -12 points for the 2 matches ( 3 if you count the cup) whats the point of a token £250 fine ? The Leagues decision is in my opinion almost as Embarrassing as Selkirk are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter's Nutmeg Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, Golum said: PATHETIC result and decision from the League Therefore if a Club cant raise their full team they can call off at the last minute and get a £125 fine per game ? that is a decent offer for some Clubs They should have given Selkirk a negative points award say -12 points for the 2 matches ( 3 if you count the cup) whats the point of a token £250 fine ? The Leagues decision is in my opinion almost as Embarrassing as Selkirk are I’ve just read the rules, and this appears to be the maximum fine that could have been imposed. There does not appear to be any scope for points deduction for this offence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Baxter's Nutmeg said: I’ve just read the rules, and this appears to be the maximum fine that could have been imposed. There does not appear to be any scope for points deduction for this offence. Thanks for the update Probably makes the League look even more inept 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 A wee update regarding the defibrillator. It's only for Selkirk FC and not for Selkirk Vics who use the changing rooms or the supporters. Who makes these terrible decisions? An absolute joke. Disgusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Currahee! said: A wee update regarding the defibrillator. It's only for Selkirk FC and not for Selkirk Vics who use the changing rooms or the supporters. Who makes these terrible decisions? An absolute joke. Disgusting. A defibrillator is an expensive bit of kit, so I'm sure for insurance purposes they have to limit access which is why it's locked up out with their governance. It's also a dangerous bit of kit. I've been on basic first aid courses in the past, none of them covered the use of a defibrillator. Selkirk presumably have designated first aiders who have been on a specialist course. Perhaps if Vics got a rep to go on the same course Selkirk would allow access. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 What happened to the folk playing for Selkirk at the start of the season? Have they all chucked it already? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soor Plooms Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: A defibrillator is an expensive bit of kit, so I'm sure for insurance purposes they have to limit access which is why it's locked up out with their governance. It's also a dangerous bit of kit. I've been on basic first aid courses in the past, none of them covered the use of a defibrillator. Selkirk presumably have designated first aiders who have been on a specialist course. Perhaps if Vics got a rep to go on the same course Selkirk would allow access. Whilst they may be expensive the whole point of the defib is that it's Public Access...it should not be locked away. These machines do not require training. Whilst it is of course preferable that there are those trained in their use along with cpr, the machine is designed to be used by someone with no previous training in an emergency. Its indicative of a deeper issue at Selkirk though. They have also previously threatened to change the locks to prevent the junior club accessing Yarrow Park. Since the start of the Lowland League Selkirk FC have operated as the antithesis of a community club. This has always puzzled me as teams from smaller towns surely have to try and be as inclusive as possible and try and involve their whole communities. This has come back to haunt Selkirk FC as it is clear that there is virtually no rallying of a local community that is normally extremely loyal to institutions in the town. As an aside in the first season of community engagement funding being made available by the Lowland League, Selkirk's submission saw them take second or third place despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any kind of any community engagement. They received a significant sum of money for this. It must have been an impressive submission. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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