Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 What could have happened in 2014? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Now if that was actually true surely when Indy comes it will stop and we can become one of the richest countries in the world as promised.Strangely though the SNP have moved away from that position to a more "it will be hard" line of promotion.I suspect it may have been guff. Jesus Christ aren't you depressing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Jesus Christ aren't you depressing. We can't all come on here slapping each other on the back at every utterance in the echo chamber that is P&B you know.Cheer up its not as depressing as knowing Nicola is beginning to "wear thin" on people as they say.Tick tock.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 We can't all come on here slapping each other on the back at every utterance in the echo chamber that is P&B you know.Cheer up its not as depressing as knowing Nicola is beginning to "wear thin" on people as they say.Tick tock.... What a lot of shite people were saying that years ago. It's SNP forever whilst in the union, unless the other parties amalgamate. Get used to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 What could have happened in 2014? Not talking about growth actually just all that fantastic oil wealth we already owned.Poor effort. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Just now, Loondave1 said: Not talking about growth actually just all that fantastic oil wealth we already owned.Poor effort. You're surprised we don't see the fruits of our fantastic oil wealth? You can't be paying attention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 You're surprised we don't see the fruits of our fantastic oil wealth? You can't be paying attention. No im asking what has changed so dramatically between the language of 2014 and now.If i understand even the SNP are not pushing the "wealthy" line anymore.You are suggesting it has all been wasted in less than 3 years ? Its a simple question where has the wealth gone ? Scotland was in exactly the same position within the UK in 2014 yet the SNP were quite happy to promote the idea of a "very wealthy" Scotland on leaving the UK so why not now ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 What a lot of shite people were saying that years ago. [emoji38]It's SNP forever whilst in the union, unless the other parties amalgamate. Get used to it. The arrogance is strong in this one...Eventually the billy big baws attitude,only show in town patter will lead to an inevitable fall.Could be a long time but another failed Indy bid will certainly start the engine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Just now, Loondave1 said: No im asking what has changed so dramatically between the language of 2014 and now.If i understand even the SNP are not pushing the "wealthy" line anymore.You are suggesting it has all been wasted in less than 3 years ? Its a simple question where has the wealth gone ? Scotland was in exactly the same position within the UK in 2014 yet the SNP were quite happy to promote the idea of a "very wealthy" Scotland on leaving the UK so why not now ? I'm not suggesting the oil wealth has been wasted in three years. I would say that describing Scotland as super wealthy (though it is) when thousands are going to food banks and austerity is all around us would be attacked as pie in the sky thinking. Which they want to avoid, understandably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Scotland could potentially be a very wealthy nation. That hasn't changed since 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Loondave1 said: No im asking what has changed so dramatically between the language of 2014 and now.If i understand even the SNP are not pushing the "wealthy" line anymore.You are suggesting it has all been wasted in less than 3 years ? Its a simple question where has the wealth gone ? Scotland was in exactly the same position within the UK in 2014 yet the SNP were quite happy to promote the idea of a "very wealthy" Scotland on leaving the UK so why not now ? So,... Despite you not believing that we would be a wealthy country if we were independent, you want the SNP to tell us that we will be? The white paper is roundly condemned as fantasy and overly optimistic by unionists and yet what was said in it is what you think should be repeated by the Scottish government. You're engaging in doublethink. At the same time as condemning the SNP and accusing them of "untruths" in the first referendum you're condemning them for not repeating those "untruths". If you want to kick the arse out of the way the first referendum was debated or fought then, by all means, do so. But it was three years ago and we're in a different world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I'm not suggesting the oil wealth has been wasted in three years. I would say that describing Scotland as super wealthy (though it is) when thousands are going to food banks and austerity is all around us would be attacked as pie in the sky thinking. Which they want to avoid, understandably. Quick enough to tell us we were all going to be rolling in it Saudi style 3 years ago.I see you are still clinging to the idea Scotland is "super wealthy" though, i admire the level of blind devotion to an idea that bears no reality to Scotlands fiscal reality.I wish i believed it as well.Life would be so much simpler baaaing away with the rest of the flock to be honest. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: Quick enough to tell us we were all going to be rolling in it Saudi style 3 years ago.I see you are still clinging to the idea Scotland is "super wealthy" though, i admire the level of blind devotion to an idea that bears no reality to Scotlands fiscal reality.I wish i believed it as well.Life would be so much simpler baaaing away with the rest of the flock to be honest. Yeah, nobody's said we'd be rolling in it Saudi style since the McCrone report, chum. Scotland was the 15th richest nation in the OECD in 2014 (http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0049/00497557.pdf) and that's despite Westminster's shocking mismanagement. Like it or not, Scotland is rich and with better governance could be richer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: Quick enough to tell us we were all going to be rolling in it Saudi style 3 years ago.I see you are still clinging to the idea Scotland is "super wealthy" though, i admire the level of blind devotion to an idea that bears no reality to Scotlands fiscal reality.I wish i believed it as well.Life would be so much simpler baaaing away with the rest of the flock to be honest. Oh, but you do bleat away with the rest of the "we're a scabby, poor wee region, and should therefore reject that whole statehood thing" flock. You've been well and truly indoctrinated into believing in the necessity of Scotland's subservience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Family of Nations. Lead not Leave. Gaurantee EU place...Fuk off No voters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: No im asking what has changed so dramatically between the language of 2014 and now.If i understand even the SNP are not pushing the "wealthy" line anymore.You are suggesting it has all been wasted in less than 3 years ? Its a simple question where has the wealth gone ? Scotland was in exactly the same position within the UK in 2014 yet the SNP were quite happy to promote the idea of a "very wealthy" Scotland on leaving the UK so why not now ? Regarding Scotlands economy the burden of proof will lie with those advocating the UK union this time. How can it be anything else after all the lies and mistruths told by the no camp last time. Prove to me that Scotland will not become increasingly poorer if we stick in union. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 This thread has taken a turn for the worse. Loondave if you can't put forward a coherent argument (doubtful based on the last page or two) could you kindly piss off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 44 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: The arrogance is strong in this one...Eventually the billy big baws attitude,only show in town patter will lead to an inevitable fall.Could be a long time but another failed Indy bid will certainly start the engine. I think it should be called "The Labour Effect". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 This thread has taken a turn for the worse. Loondave if you can't put forward a coherent argument (doubtful based on the last page or two) could you kindly piss off? Nasty Nat [emoji6] -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Family of Nations. Lead not Leave. Gaurantee EU place...Fuk off No voters Nasty Nat [emoji6] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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