AlanCamelonfan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Try doing what I did and actually looking at the Club 42 rule: https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL Rules and Regulations 22-Jul-19.pdf In the event of Club 42 losing the PyramidPlay-Off Match, it will be relegated to the SHFL League if its Registered Ground is located North of Degree of Latitude 56,4513N or to the SLFL if its Registered Ground is located South of Degree of Latitude 56,4513N and it shall thereafter comply with the rules and regulations of the relevant league. There is nothing in that other than the location of the registered home ground with respect to a specific line of latitude. If this boundary is relevant to the EoS as some have argued on here, Luncarty are not in the EoS/LL catchment unless they move their registered home ground to a different part of the village. As I said look forward to your paddy when they are accepted. Their would be abit of leeway considering Luncarty as a village straddles the border. You are wanting them to accept teams miles over the border which is different 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: As I said look forward to your paddy when they are accepted... What you are forgetting is that my argument is that this rule appears nowhere in the EoS or LL constitutions, so as things stand they could reasonably add any ERSJFA north section club that puts in an application. For whatever reason they choose not to. Edited January 11, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: What you are forgetting is that my argument is that this rule appears nowhere in the EoS or LL constitutions, so as things stand they could reasonably add any ERSJFA north section club that puts in an application. When they were looking for applications for Lowland league last year they said you had to be within the boundary. So they can't. Tayside needs to go north im sorry but even in the ersjfa when super league was formed they should have went north. Had they done that would we have the problems we had now I dont think we would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: What you are forgetting is that my argument is that this rule appears nowhere in the EoS or LL constitutions, so as things stand they could reasonably add any ERSJFA north section club that puts in an application. For whatever reason they choose not to. East of Scotland Football PoliciesJune 2018Page 2of 25MISSION STATEMENTTheMission Statement for The Eastof Scotland Football League is"To Develop, Foster, Co-Ordinate and Sustain Association Football atClub and League level throughout Edinburgh, the Lothians, the Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 The LL chose to apply the boundary in terms of the application process last season, but there was no obvious reason why they had to based on what's in their constitution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, AlanCamelonfan said: East of Scotland Football PoliciesJune 2018Page 2of 25MISSION STATEMENTTheMission Statement for The Eastof Scotland Football League is"To Develop, Foster, Co-Ordinate and Sustain Association Football atClub and League level throughout Edinburgh, the Lothians, the Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire". So how did Sauchie, Jeanfield and Kinnoull get in, and how could they give Clydebank a deferred membership? A mission statement is different from a rule or regulation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: What you are forgetting is that my argument is that this rule appears nowhere in the EoS or LL constitutions, so as things stand they could reasonably add any ERSJFA north section club that puts in an application. The EoS have been clear they are not able to accept Tayside clubs. Outside the official regulations, there could be agreements between different parties to respect the boundaries for applications. That's why a potential application of Luncarty will probably be subject of a discussion between different parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, LongTimeLurker said: So how did Sauchie, Jeanfield and Kinnoull get in, and how could they give Clydebank a deferred membership? A mission statement is different from a rule or regulation. Clydebank was because their was no league in the west. If the west comes in they wouldn't get too. As far as Jeanfield and Kinnoull its because the league doesn't cover the full of perth as the statement says THROUGHOUT Edinburgh, lothians, Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire. In all honesty Clackmannanshire is mostly regarded as kind of part of Stirlingshire as in the forth valley much like how it says the lothians and not west lothian, mid lothian and East lothian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 48 minutes ago, Marten said: You're right that England is a completely different case. They also had a very messy landscape of existing leagues and clubs, but eventually nearly all leagues got included in the pyramid (with the exception of some purely amateur leagues low down that still aren't part of the pyramid). Once a pyramid started, the whole country was covered by leagues which isn't really the case here. That's why leagues like the Northern League who didn't join until much later on, finally joined much lower than they could originally have done. The west can still join at tier 6 here in Scotland due to there not being a west league in the pyramid below the LL. Same with any tier 6 north league should one happen in the future. It's also worth noting btw that since AFC Wimbledon got founded (2002), the pyramid has undergone massive changes. Also after Chester's admission in 2010 some big changes happened. There will be more English pyramid changes for 2020/21. This will include the top 3 Northern League clubs being promoted automatically, for one season only, as part of a north realignment. An important difference between England & Scotland is that the FA south of the border, determines/(re)allocates the clubs across the English leagues down to non league Step 8. There is an appeal right for clubs, if they disagree with their league placement. Sometimes this is appeal is upheld, but often not. Here in Scotland, the Lowland/EoSL/SoSL oversee the league alignment for the following season, based on the clubs stating which league they will go into, if relegated at the end of the season. The SFA isn't involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Marten said: The EoS have been clear they are not able to accept Tayside clubs... ...but what has been noteworthy is that the SFA don't appear to see it that way in terms of what can and can't be an LL feeder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Marten said: You keep bringing up Luncarty, but they are still only rumoured to have applied to the EOS. Also, it won't just be down to the EOS whether or not they accept them. I'd assume Luncarty (if they indeed want to join the EOS) will put forward a case arguing that the village itself is largely in LL territory, so is the "centre" of Luncarty, and that therefore they should have the right to be accepted into an LL feeder. Whether or not that argument is accepted will probably be decided in discussions of the EOS with other parties, possibly the PWG and maybe the HL/LL/SPFL will need to be involved in the discussion due to the boundary issue. There are too many ifs and buts to draw any conclusions on Luncarty's situation at the moment. Luncarty may become a 'test case' for the EoSL ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Sadly Scotland doesn't really have the geography for a similar split. What about: Highland / Central / Lowland East / Lowland West From SPFL 2 down... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: East of Scotland Football PoliciesJune 2018Page 2of 25MISSION STATEMENTTheMission Statement for The Eastof Scotland Football League is"To Develop, Foster, Co-Ordinate and Sustain Association Football atClub and League level throughout Edinburgh, the Lothians, the Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire". Maybe not the best to use something that says bye bye Jeanfield and Kinnoull. Edited January 11, 2020 by FairWeatherFan adding to 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: What you are forgetting is that my argument is that this rule appears nowhere in the EoS or LL constitutions, so as things stand they could reasonably add any ERSJFA north section club that puts in an application. For whatever reason they choose not to. They can't, and it has been explained umpteen times to you why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) You are not the ultimate arbiter of what is right and wrong on this. That would normally be the SFA's job as the FIFA sanctioned national association. Edited January 11, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Che Dail said: What about: Highland / Central / Lowland East / Lowland West From SPFL 2 down... SPFL don't want it, the 2 region set up was seen as a compromise between a national feeder vs. 3 region set up in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said: You are not the ultimate arbiter of what is right and wrong on this. That would normally be the SFA's job as the FIFA samctioned national associations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, LongTimeLurker said: You are not the ultimate arbiter of what is right and wrong on this. That would normally be the SFA's job as the FIFA sanctioned national association. A = Association (of clubs) who decide things 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Robert James said: Luncarty may become a 'test case' for the EoSL ? That's the way it looks to me and letting them in would be a case of still further mission statement creep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Marten said: The EoS have been clear they are not able to accept Tayside clubs. Outside the official regulations, there could be agreements between different parties to respect the boundaries for applications. That's why a potential application of Luncarty will probably be subject of a discussion between different parties. He doesn't want to listen Marten, and it's probably at the point where he is best ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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