MDM Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Khufu2 said: If you are developing a pyramid then the better clubs should be higher up the pyramid. If there's a better team than LTHV worthy of joining the Lowland League then that's the team that should join. We aren't developing a pyramid. The pyramid is in place, it's teams who are now recognising that they want to be part of the pyramid. Quote If there's a better team than LTHV worthy of joining the Lowland League How do you define 'worthy' - better setup? First and foremost you need to win the EoSFL to gain entry into the LL. Blackburn have a fantastic setup by all accounts - but if they can't win the games then they won' be joining the LL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 There are 3 options 1. Two regional leagues of 14 and the top 7 from each league form the EOS Premier for 2019/2020 and bottom 7s from each league form EOS first division. 2. Two leagues of 14 split up seeded on how they have finished this season. 3. The new applicants form a new league underneath the current EOS league forming a tier 7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cyril said: There are 3 options 1. Two regional leagues of 14 and the top 7 from each league form the EOS Premier for 2019/2020 and bottom 7s from each league form EOS first division. 2. Two leagues of 14 split up seeded on how they have finished this season. 3. The new applicants form a new league underneath the current EOS league forming a tier 7 3. Would be the fairest option if there is 2 leagues. That ensures no current EoS clubs are penalised and sporting integrity is to the fore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: 3. Would be the fairest option if there is 2 leagues. That ensures no current EoS clubs are penalised and sporting integrity is to the fore. Somebody save this for when Linlithgow Rose decide to move over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: 3. Would be the fairest option if there is 2 leagues. That ensures no current EoS clubs are penalised and sporting integrity is to the fore. No current EoS team is penalised in Option 1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 35 minutes ago, Khufu2 said: No current EoS team is penalised in Option 1. Option 1 - being dependent on location could see all the stronger teams in the same league - that could unbalance the league in the following year. At least option 3 continues to protect the original members and ensures that progression going forwards is on football and not location. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: Somebody save this for when Linlithgow Rose decide to move over. Wouldn't want any favours and if we move should start at the lowest leagues - I have consistently said such decisions should be on football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: Wouldn't want any favours and if we move should start at the lowest leagues - I have consistently said such decisions should be on football. Good to hear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Where the "stick them in a lower division!" argument breaks down is that if - for example - only 3 clubs were applying, there could be no question of putting them in a lower division... they'd just join the current single division? Take it a stage further: if 6 clubs were applying, then there'd be too many clubs for a single division - yet also too few for a proper lower division. Take it a stage further again: if 9 clubs were applying, there'd be enough for a proper lower division, but only if you demoted several of the current single division. Take it a stage further still: if 12 clubs were applying, you'd get various options. So what is being presented as a point of principle, is actually just coincidental: caused by the number of applicants being similar to the current membership. Of course it's perfectly possible to admit 12 or 15 new applicants to tier 6 anyway, without demoting anyone... whether via a system of pre-leagues, conferences, or parallel regional divisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: Option 1 - being dependent on location could see all the stronger teams in the same league - that could unbalance the league in the following year. At least option 3 continues to protect the original members and ensures that progression going forwards is on football and not location. Playing a pre-qualifying style League Cup groups to decide divisions, or two equal seeded divisions with top and bottom halves forming the divisions for 2019/20 season, ensures on-field performance dictates who ends up where. Remember that all new applicants applied on the basis that its a tier 6 single division league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Hearing that EOS Board/Committee have definitely said there will be no tier 7 for next season, both leagues will run parallel at tier 6. Looks like regional, seeded or perhaps a pre qualifying group cup as suggested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, Cyril said: Hearing that EOS Board/Committee have definitely said there will be no tier 7 for next season, both leagues will run parallel at tier 6. Looks like regional, seeded or perhaps a pre qualifying group cup as suggested. Several of the current EoS teams are going to be on the wrong side of many double figure humpings in the league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, Cyril said: Hearing that EOS Board/Committee have definitely said there will be no tier 7 for next season, both leagues will run parallel at tier 6. Looks like regional, seeded or perhaps a pre qualifying group cup as suggested. In which case it can only be two parallel seeded divisions of 14 with the top 7 or 8 in each forming the top division for 2019/20 (and a Championship/Promotion play-off?), I doubt doing it geographically can produce balanced divisions. There wont be a Divisions 2 next season as that would be tier 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Playing a pre-qualifying style League Cup groups to decide divisions, or two equal seeded divisions with top and bottom halves forming the divisions for 2019/20 season, ensures on-field performance dictates who ends up where. Remember that all new applicants applied on the basis that its a tier 6 single division league. In which case the EoS surely must curtail the amount of applications to ensure that happens as going forwards the other solutions you suggest would see a tier 7 from 19/20 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: In which case the EoS surely must curtail the amount of applications to ensure that happens as going forwards the other solutions you suggest would see a tier 7 from 19/20 No, they merely restructure to ensure all clubs compete at the same level, tier 6, in two parallel divisions. HJ explains the rationale. For season 2019/20 there would be two divisions the lowest of which is at tier 7, and new applicants in a years time apply on that basis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 This is how things could therefore look next season, with a bit of guesswork on the clubs involved; Section A Blackburn Utd Bonnyrigg Rose Burntisland Camelon Crossgates Primrose Dalkeith Th Easthouses Lily Eyemouth Utd Hawick RA Herriot Watt Leith Ath Musselburgh Ath St.Bernards Tynecastle Section B Coldstream Dundonald Bluebell Dunipace Edinburgh Utd Haddington Ath Hill of Beath Inverkeithing HS LTHV Ormiston Peebles Rovers Preston Ath Stirling Uni Res Tranent Tweedmouth Rangers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: This is how things could therefore look next season, with a bit of guesswork on the clubs involved; Section A Blackburn Utd Bonnyrigg Rose Burntisland Camelon Crossgates Primrose Dalkeith Th Easthouses Lily Eyemouth Utd Hawick RA Herriot Watt Leith Ath Musselburgh Ath St.Bernards Tynecastle Section B Coldstream Dundonald Bluebell Dunipace Edinburgh Utd Haddington Ath Hill of Beath Inverkeithing HS LTHV Ormiston Peebles Rovers Preston Ath Stirling Uni Res Tranent Tweedmouth Rangers Kelty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: Kelty? Could be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) There are various permutations... You could have a net gain of 0 - there would be no movement at all if LTHV plus Mid Annandale/Lochar win both leagues and Cove don't win promotion; or Hawick effectively swap places with Kelty if latter win league and playoff (or are promoted automatically due to Mid Annandale/Lochar winning SOSL), including if Cove win promotion but Dalbeattie finish 2nd bottom of LL. You could have a net gain of 1 - LTHV win league but Threave/St Cuthberts win SOSL, including if Cove win promotion but Dalbeattie finish 2nd bottom; or Kelty win league but loses playoff to Threave/St Cuthberts; or LTHV plus Mid Annandale/Lochar win both leagues but Cove win promotion; or Kelty go up but Cove win promotion and Vale/Whitehill finish 2nd bottom. You could have a net gain of 2 - if Threave/St Cuthberts go up, Cove win promotion and Vale/Whitehill finish 2nd bottom. Edited April 9, 2018 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 17 hours ago, heedthebaa said: Aye changed days, having to fight clubs off with a shitty stick now Its good that the EOSL has made such a dramatic comeback. I was one of the folk who thought the LL had killed it after losing so many sides all at once but good that it has bounced back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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