hearthammer Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: My views on what happens elsewhere are immaterial - although my constant support of the EU will give you an idea of where my thinking lies. Partitioning Britain - driven by the vile politics of identity and division - is regressive. By inference, and substantiated by the complete dearth of a critique in any shape or form by you, you fully support the heinous actions made by the current (and their co-cabalists for the past 12 years) incumbents at Westminster where they have pulled up their financial drawbridge to ensure normal, ordinary people are chasing scraps and suffering, whilst you/they and their ilk maximise their progression financially. Not so much the actions of the Tartan Gonks, but the Westminster Wankers and the Bucks Bawbags. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 14/10/2022 at 16:06, Paco said: I found it interesting to see Nicola Stirgeon calling for an election, having seen Ian Blackford earlier in the day doing his absolute best to avoid saying it. Would mean the next General Election - potentially the ‘independence’ election - being held in late 2027 or early 2028, at least a year after the next Scottish Parliament election is due. Make the next general election the indy election, dont wait, if theres an election in January then so be it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 The border between Scotland and England, wait for it........already exists. Nobody is partitioning anything you galoot. Because the partition is already there...... There are already legislative differences between one side and the other, Independence would create new ones, ones I believe can have most of the new frictions mitigated. But we don't know the circumstances. Maybe if an iScotland has an immigration system that isn't an evil fucking disgrace, rUK will have kittens and want enhanced controls on the movement of people, but I doubt it. So a common travel area is almost guaranteed and (as should have happened in the first fucking place) the UK/EU/Single Market border can move to Gretna and the negotiated light touch regs can be there. And not where only a few years ago mad b*****ds blew up border posts, and shot each other. Because the UK had actually fucking partitioned somewhere. Maybe iScotland and the EU will want to stop the shitey deregulated goods and foodstuffs Britannia Unchaineds morons want to allow in to England. Like GM and chlorinated chicken. The fact is we don't know but, there won't be guard towers, minefields, machine gun nests and folk tunnelling under no man's land to get a glass bottle of irn bru./the really nice selection of cheeses you get in Booths. This is shite. It was in 2014 and it is now More's the pity. Personally I'd create a DMZ from Preston to Lockerbie filled with dog shite, broken glass and atomic midges mutated by all the nuclear waste from Dounray and the rotting cold war submarine fleet, which we'd park in there and all. On the border. Which already exists. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: What if it's driven by a desire to detach ourselves from the pervading politics of the UK, because most Scots reject it? In a week when the FM showed a visceral detestation of about a quarter of Scotland's population it's daft to say anything other than the desire for independence is always driven by identity and division. We saw this very clearly in August when the FM and Brian Cox agreed it was all about, "Country before Policies". Policies change but the clamour for partition remains. Thus, in 1975, the justification for separation was the policy of continuing EEC membership. In 2022 the policy of Brexit- in contrast - is a big driver for many Nats. Again, in the 70s it was hydrocarbons that were used to justify partition. In recent years the cry is 'It's Scotland's wind farms'. Policy is short term and transient. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: it's daft to say anything other than the desire for independence is always driven by identity and division. When, say, the Baltic states separated from the Soviet Union, were the motivations similarly malevolent? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 36 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: What if it's driven by a desire to detach ourselves from the pervading politics of the UK, because most Scots reject it? At the risk of giving the game away here, have unionists ever considered running the UK...well? I can't think of anything more effective at blunting the Yes campaign and my own personal views are included here than the UK government not being either cartwheeling goat fucking shambles or a shameful vindictive spiteful jumped up tinpot embarrassment, still unable to come to terms with the loss of Empire and its much diminished status in the world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: When, say, the Baltic states separated from the Soviet Union, were the motivations similarly malevolent? Latvian independence - after the Soviet collapse - has almost no parallels with the desire to partition Great Britain - the nation Scotland helped create in 1707 and in which we have fully participated ever since. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Latvian independence - after the Soviet collapse - has almost no parallels with the desire to partition Great Britain - the nation Scotland helped create in 1707 and in which we have fully participated ever since. Ok does that mean it wasn't true when you said " it's daft to say anything other than the desire for independence is always driven by identity and division" then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: Ok does that mean it wasn't true when you said " it's daft to say anything other than the desire for independence is always driven by identity and division" then? We're discussing Britain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: We're discussing Britain. You're at it. I've been asking if all land borders and divisions between peoples are essentially wrong, because you've been apparently saying just that. The use of "always" in your argument was a pretty good indication of this. Now you're pulling that line. Christ man, you made more consistent sense on the Rangers threads back in the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: You're at it. I've been asking if all land borders and divisions between peoples are essentially wrong, because you've been apparently saying just that. The use of "always" in your argument was a pretty good indication of this. Now you're pulling that line. Christ man, you made more consistent sense on the Rangers threads back in the day. Oh behave! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Just now, The_Kincardine said: Oh behave! Yeah you're right. you spouted rubbish then too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Ah the drunk oaf has surfaced this is your UK own the mess your Tory party is causing...own it you clown Ps Notice your happy the border is in the Irish sea or has that slipped your mind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 British exceptionalism is cracking patter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 iJock is gonna build a wall, and Buckinghamshire is gonna pay for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yeah you're right. you spouted rubbish then too. In a thread entitled "Oor Nicola Sturgeon" I can say 'nationalism has always been...' and assume that posters will know we're discussing Scotland. I know posters get angry when the regressive notion of imposing an international border where none exists is criticised. But that's the nature of nationalism: Angry, disaffected people driven by identity and division. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: In a thread entitled "Oor Nicola Sturgeon" I can say 'nationalism has always been...' and assume that posters will know we're discussing Scotland. And yet the 'logic' you use when referring to Gretna/Longtown etc, would surely have to apply elsewhere if it was indeed logical at all. How foolish you sometimes look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 51 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: And yet the 'logic' you use when referring to Gretna/Longtown etc, would surely have to apply elsewhere if it was indeed logical at all. How foolish you sometimes look. Eh? Saying it's ok to cross an international border to go from Gretna to Longtown - and to use different currencies in each place - is ok 'because Latvia' is sensible? Nationalism rots people's brains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Eh? Saying it's ok to cross an international border to go from Gretna to Longtown - and to use different currencies in each place - is ok 'because Latvia' is sensible? Nationalism rots people's brains. You just repeatedly say stuff. It doesn't need to stack up logically for you, does it? You'll say it anyway. You will find places close to each other on opposite sides of borders the world over. Unless you're arguing that all such divisions are also absolutely wrong, you've nothing to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Eh? Saying it's ok to cross an international border to go from Gretna to Longtown - and to use different currencies in each place - is ok 'because Latvia' is sensible? Nationalism rots people's brains. It's ok here apparently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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