Ross. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, The OP said: Getting in better players than Brown and Boyata is easier said than done tbf. Wish we had a better goalie though. Gordons distribution is horrendous and his outrageous shot stopping ability is slowly being matched by his ability to let one in that he really should be saving. Would agree that better is needed there also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: Considering Rodgers has multiple millions to spend every window, it's not really an excuse. Everyone and their dog can see you've absolutely no quality in depth in defence, yet his complete arrogance means he refuses to do anything about it. So instead of getting beat by 7 it will be only 3 or 4 the game is about winning? Celtic where outclassed last night ball watching instead of reacting to movement off the ball this is the main difference between the teams. I have no problem with getting beat from a better team,to say it's arrogance is just nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, Ross. said: Gordons distribution is horrendous and his outrageous shot stopping ability is slowly being matched by his ability to let one in that he really should be saving. Would agree that better is needed there also. given that the backup keeper just got an extension to his contract it doesn't seem like Gordon's getting replaced anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Have written to google to request that this be changed to "too powerful to be defeated or overcome, unless they have mair money than us, then it disny coont" I thought most diddy team fans claimed that when losing to Celtic already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Is there a clear improvement on Boyata available domestically on the cheap, aged 23 or younger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ross. said: I thought most diddy team fans claimed that when losing to Celtic already? Celtic are Scotland's PSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, wastecoatwilly said: Celtic are Scotland's PSG Steady on... The relative difference in quality between Celtic and the rest in Scotland when compared to PSG and Celtic is huge. Yes, Celtic are clearly the biggest team in Scotland and their relative spend dwarfs the domestic competition, but the comparison only works on a purely superficial level. Celtic can only dream of being that good relative to the rest of the Scottish league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locheedfcno1 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Letting in 7 goals ????♂️????♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzlemanizzle Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Fucking hell celtic, 7! Again! Hope it hurts like vinegar poured into an open wound. Embarrassing stuff guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, Ross. said: Steady on... The relative difference in quality between Celtic and the rest in Scotland when compared to PSG and Celtic is huge. Yes, Celtic are clearly the biggest team in Scotland and their relative spend dwarfs the domestic competition, but the comparison only works on a purely superficial level. Celtic can only dream of being that good relative to the rest of the Scottish league. There is some constructive criticism for Brendan to look at bringing jozo in for a game like that was a big ask. Mcgregor on the left was a mistake,playing Rogic didn't work,dropping Sinclair i agreed with plus Armstrong should have got some game time,hindsight is a wonderful thing Celtic can get better at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelt67 Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said: Rodgers presides over domestic domination, but has been responsible for probably the most embarrassing results in Celtic 's history. How long will the unwashed give him ? Does he get extra leeway because his name is Brendan ? Good to see Boab still not taking the football too seriously... 3 hours ago, Moonglum25 said: But Rodgers said that they would fear Celtic's history - perhaps he should realise that history is yesterday's news and what happens today is what counts. Perhaps PSG did fear their history and that is what kept the score reasonable! No he didn't. 3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Considering Rodgers has multiple millions to spend every window, it's not really an excuse. Everyone and their dog can see you've absolutely no quality in depth in defence, yet his complete arrogance means he refuses to do anything about it. He'll get as long as he wants because Celtic fans are utterly delighted to be big fish in a small pond. The fact they've been utterly destroyed multiple times under him, yet the fans still scramble about to make excuses, highlights that. We tried to bring in a centre half who then failed a medical. I'll be very surprised should we not sign a centre half in January. Three pumpings aye but he's also given us our biggest and only our second away victory in the Champions League. In fact he has more Champions League away points than all previous managers combined. I know, I know, scrambling for excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 hours ago, The OP said: Getting in better players than Brown and Boyata is easier said than done tbf. I find that Scott Brown is a problem for Celtic at this level. He's exactly the type of player any team would want to have through a week in/week out league campaign but in Europe and internationally his touch, positional sense and decision making are found wanting. Watch him carefully - how many times does he give the ball away against better teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Prince Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I know stats aren’t everything but Brown has one of if not the highest successful pass accuracy in the competition this season. It’s his off the ball work where he’s found wanting at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Ross. said: Steady on... The relative difference in quality between Celtic and the rest in Scotland when compared to PSG and Celtic is huge. Yes, Celtic are clearly the biggest team in Scotland and their relative spend dwarfs the domestic competition, but the comparison only works on a purely superficial level. Celtic can only dream of being that good relative to the rest of the Scottish league. Yet proportionally, the financial gulf from Celtic to the rest of Scottish football is far, far greater than the financial gulf from PSG to Celtic. So if PSG's vast superiority over Celtic is purely down to their respective budgets and Celtic are powerless to stop it, then there should absolutely be a bigger gap in quality from Celtic to every Scottish club other than Rangers than there is between Celtic and PSG, and we should be showering these teams with praise when they only lose to Celtic by one or two goals rather than five or six. This argument is obviously ridiculous, but it's the only logical conclusion of people saying Celtic are powerless to keep the score down and Rodgers is blameless. If Motherwell go all out attack against Celtic on Sunday and get shredded 7-1, no one is going to throw their hands up and say Stephen Robinson isn't responsible because of the financial gap between the sides. Instead, people would quite rightly point out that he was being hopelessly naive tactically by not sitting in, defending and trying to turn the game into scrap by disrupting opponents who are obviously so much better. This is just common sense. Why then should we not make the same criticism of Brendan Rodgers when he shows that exact same tactical naivety against better opposition and Celtic get their arses handed to them, instead of justifying their absolute capitulation by pointing out the budgets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Yet proportionally, the financial gulf from Celtic to the rest of Scottish football is far, far greater than the financial gulf from PSG to Celtic. So if PSG's vast superiority over Celtic is purely down to their respective budgets and Celtic are powerless to stop it, then there should absolutely be a bigger gap in quality from Celtic to every Scottish club other than Rangers than there is between Celtic and PSG, and we should be showering these teams with praise when they only lose to Celtic by one or two goals rather than five or six. This argument is obviously ridiculous, but it's the only logical conclusion of people saying Celtic are powerless to keep the score down and Rodgers is blameless. If Motherwell go all out attack against Celtic on Sunday and get shredded 7-1, no one is going to throw their hands up and say Stephen Robinson isn't responsible because of the financial gap between the sides. Instead, people would quite rightly point out that he was being hopelessly naive tactically by not sitting in, defending and trying to turn the game into scrap by disrupting opponents who are obviously so much better. This is just common sense. Why then should we not make the same criticism of Brendan Rodgers when he shows that exact same tactical naivety against better opposition and Celtic get their arses handed to them, instead of justifying their absolute capitulation by pointing out the budgets? As pointed out on the terrible journalism thread I don’t think it’s the same. Both massive gaps but it’s slightly different. Rodgers still deserves to be criticised though, going into these games the same way he does in the league. Warburton was getting a slagging from Celtic fans for doing the same thing with Rangers when they played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Yet proportionally, the financial gulf from Celtic to the rest of Scottish football is far, far greater than the financial gulf from PSG to Celtic. So if PSG's vast superiority over Celtic is purely down to their respective budgets and Celtic are powerless to stop it, then there should absolutely be a bigger gap in quality from Celtic to every Scottish club other than Rangers than there is between Celtic and PSG, and we should be showering these teams with praise when they only lose to Celtic by one or two goals rather than five or six. This argument is obviously ridiculous, but it's the only logical conclusion of people saying Celtic are powerless to keep the score down and Rodgers is blameless. If Motherwell go all out attack against Celtic on Sunday and get shredded 7-1, no one is going to throw their hands up and say Stephen Robinson isn't responsible because of the financial gap between the sides. Instead, people would quite rightly point out that he was being hopelessly naive tactically by not sitting in, defending and trying to turn the game into scrap by disrupting opponents who are obviously so much better. This is just common sense. Why then should we not make the same criticism of Brendan Rodgers when he shows that exact same tactical naivety against better opposition and Celtic get their arses handed to them, instead of justifying their absolute capitulation by pointing out the budgets? I see your point but feel the logic is flawed. Celtic spending 8x the money that Aberdeen spend does not mean that the gap should be the same as between PSG and Celtic if PSG also spend 8x the money that Celtic spend. Relatively speaking, Adam Rooney on 3k a week is far closer in ability to Leigh Griffiths on 24k a week than Griffiths on 24k a week is to Edison Cavani on 190k a week(Figures are illustrative but probably not a million miles away). Celtic, while clearly having a massive advantage over the rest of the Scottish League, are relatively poorer than the super clubs in Europe even if the financial gap is theoretically the same in terms of it being 1/8th or 1/10th each way. That's not to say that Celtic should not be doing better. They absolutely should, but it's not as simple as saying 10x more is the same gap so Celtic should also be winning 7-1 against everyone without breaking sweat. ETA: Already said that Rodgers deserves criticism. His approach is admirable from a "Football romantic" point of view but hugely fucking stupid from any realistic outlook at the game point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, TheCelt67 said: Good to see Boab still not taking the football too seriously... No he didn't. We tried to bring in a centre half who then failed a medical. I'll be very surprised should we not sign a centre half in January. Three pumpings aye but he's also given us our biggest and only our second away victory in the Champions League. In fact he has more Champions League away points than all previous managers combined. I know, I know, scrambling for excuses. Anderlecht, for God's sake, from a league every bit as feeble as Scotland's. Have you looked at their Champions League record over recent years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Anderlecht, for God's sake, from a league every bit as feeble as Scotland's. Have you looked at their Champions League record over recent years ? It's a shame there isn't some sort of system or table worked out based on the results of the clubs from the respective countries that would give us an idea of where Scotland stands relative to Belgium in the world of domestic football strength. Spoiler https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Anderlecht, for God's sake, from a league every bit as feeble as Scotland's. Odd then that the Belgian league is ranked 17 places above Scotland's and Anderlecht are ranked 17 places above Celtic and 204 places above Aberdeen (Scotland's second best team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Odd then that the Belgian league is ranked 17 places above Scotland's and Anderlecht are ranked 17 places above Celtic and 204 places above Aberdeen (Scotland's second best team). Rankings are the last place I'd look for guidance, never mind reflecting reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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