RiG Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, Rugster said: Which at just about every club extends to a pie and a cup of tea. If, which I doubt they have, Caley have been dishing out full on hospitality to journalists then another example of financial mismanagement. I'd suggest that there is almost zero chance of any journalist getting "proper" hospitality at ICT. It will be, as you say, a pie or sausage roll and a drink at half time and maybe some leftovers at full time. I'm sure @ICTChris has talked before about the degrading experience that journalists have had at the club over the years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said: Print journalists get hospitality at games? This is an excellent result if it’s true. Can’t wait. Obviously I don’t cover you guys, so I can’t comment directly, but reporters don’t get “freebies” for “generous reports”. You’ll find that local journalists have to tread a very fine line so as not to get banned by the club (one which I’ve been treading since earlier this year). I’d also dispute the fact that having reporters at games costs clubs. Ban the P&J or Courier and then let someone from the club explain to shirt sponsors why they aren’t getting any publicity in the paper or on the biggest news website in the area. That was a situation some bigger papers had with Rangers a few years ago, and they quickly backed down. It only costs clubs if they could’ve sold the seat for money, but given most games are unlikely to be anywhere near a sell out it’s not really an issue. Fwiw (and again as someone with a soft spot for you guys but not someone immersed in the club) the local media coverage has looked excellent. I know a hell of a lot more about the situation than I would’ve done if I’d relied on the BBC. The situation with Rangers was when they looked at the amount of print journalists and their photographers were attending games they indicated that they would start charging for attendance and that set up an almighty uproar for the papers. As for publicity papers provide for clubs it is one photo which is miniscule exposure as against tv media coverage, ( which does bring money to a club), of 90 minutes of a game with shirt sponsors clearly displayed. And the print media do expect free hospitality at games, we've all seen it at all levels from Highland League with maybe a 100 in attendance and five print journos heading for the free pies and teas at half time to rows of you at premier games, it all costs to a club at any level. However to end, print media stories in todays world is yesterdays news as social media overtakes the print industry as proven with rapidly falling sales and owners asking for subs to read their articles on line. Fact is the first area the print journalist access in the morning is social media to see what the fans have come up with, just as you did this morning! Anyway thats my take, end of. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SandyCromarty Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 9 hours ago, Hugh Hillshaveyes said: Not enough season ticket holders/fans to get them out of this unfortunately...cheeks are a blight on Scottish football whereby religion dictates what team you support unless you have an ounce of common sense..doesn't matter how "remote" you are from cheekland...just got to pray this new ultra generation redresses some balance You're right, but a return in fans confidence in buying ST's might encourage some of our wealthier past and present board members to invest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 18 hours ago, Peil said: Just saw that, best of luck getting through this Mods. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dunning1874 Posted June 6 Popular Post Share Posted June 6 Even though it doesn't change the material facts of potential financial disaster, knowing that you'll soon be free of Gardiner's tyranny you may at least enjoy this article: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/local/1902754/i-genuinely-believe-my-greatest-achievement-has-still-to-come/ Quote What is your greatest achievement? I take great pride in my roles in turning Dundee and Hearts around. Both clubs had been in very dark places, having suffered great financial and moral harm from various “characters”, and I know both were in much better places when I left. I genuinely believe my greatest achievement is still to come. Quote What do you still hope to achieve? In the short term, I want to make Inverness Caley Thistle FC financially sound Quote and a pillar of Inverness and the surrounding area Quote and to get the team back into the Scottish Premiership for good. Quote What would your enemies say about you? I always liked a quote that I thought was from Sir Winston Churchill but it turns out it was from the great writer Victor Hugo: “You have enemies? Why, it is the story of every man who has done a great deed or created a new idea. Do not bother yourself about it; disdain.” So in short, I couldn’t care less. Disdain is good. 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 4 minutes ago, The Great Stagsby said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB1994 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 20 minutes ago, Rugster said: Which at just about every club extends to a pie and a cup of tea. If, which I doubt they have, Caley have been dishing out full on hospitality to journalists then another example of financial mismanagement. They don’t get free hospitality. They sit in a wee “press box” area and get some teas and pies but that is it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 4 minutes ago, PB1994 said: They don’t get free hospitality. They sit in a wee “press box” area and get some teas and pies but that is it. Which is exactly what I said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Scot Gardiner, your reign of terror is over 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo Nostalgia Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 24 minutes ago, The Great Stagsby said: Had me for a minute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnieMurdo Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 19 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Even though it doesn't change the material facts of potential financial disaster, knowing that you'll soon be free of Gardiner's tyranny you may at least enjoy this article: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/local/1902754/i-genuinely-believe-my-greatest-achievement-has-still-to-come/ Cognitive dissonance at its finest. Gardiner truly believes these 'alternative facts'. Bye Scot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, virginton said: How is the journalist going against the grain? There are about three folk still left at the club in an executive capacity, who are now openly courting takeover offers. The time for journalists and/or supporters' organisations to stand up and be counted on this issue was at least 5 years ago. He was the 1st person in the local media to call out the Kelty deal being a no-go, rather than his P&J counterpart, Mike Edwards who still had his nose too far up Morrison's arse to realise the whole thing was a bogey 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 The fact that his first name is spelled 'Scot' should've set alarm bells ringing before he even joined the club IMO. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, TheScarf said: The fact that his first name is spelled 'Scot' should've set alarm bells ringing before he even joined the club IMO. Scotland Gardiner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, Savage Henry said: Scotland Gardiner. Scotland McTominay is the only suitable one in this instance IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 This’ll come as a shock to absolutely no one but Lewis Hyde is no longer with us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jan Vojáček Posted June 6 Popular Post Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said: The situation with Rangers was when they looked at the amount of print journalists and their photographers were attending games they indicated that they would start charging for attendance and that set up an almighty uproar for the papers. As for publicity papers provide for clubs it is one photo which is miniscule exposure as against tv media coverage, ( which does bring money to a club), of 90 minutes of a game with shirt sponsors clearly displayed. And the print media do expect free hospitality at games, we've all seen it at all levels from Highland League with maybe a 100 in attendance and five print journos heading for the free pies and teas at half time to rows of you at premier games, it all costs to a club at any level. However to end, print media stories in todays world is yesterdays news as social media overtakes the print industry as proven with rapidly falling sales and owners asking for subs to read their articles on line. Fact is the first area the print journalist access in the morning is social media to see what the fans have come up with, just as you did this morning! Anyway thats my take, end of. You seem to be an expert on the industry I've worked in for nine years, so I'll leave you to that. I doubt anything I can say will change your opinion, and that's cool. What I would say is that I've covered Sons since 2015. In that time I've had free food/drink twice. Once at Dundee and once at Aberdeen. I think Falkirk might've had a wee boiling water urn thing in their media room too? But that was a few years ago. I've never had free pies at Dumbarton, and we're coming up for 200 home games covered. I'm also amazed that there are five print journos at Highland League games; but, again, it's not my patch so I can't make an educated comment. There were four of us at the Sons v Spartans playoff final last season (no free food or drink either fwiw). And that was the most I saw at any game aside from when we played Rangers. It's also worth remembering, that this is work. We're not doing this as a hobby. In fact most folk cover teams they don't support. I'm lucky in that regard. If I go to a meeting with a charity or a politician then they probably give me a cup of tea and some biscuits too. In fact I've had considerably more free food and drinks from church groups and councillors than I have from football clubs. We can get into a wider discussion of the future of news at another time. But needless to say that social media is a major player. But who do I get my news from on there? Usually journalists and fan media. Which is just the modern day version of getting a paper delivered or picking up a fanzine at a game. How that's monetized is the big question. Anyway. This isn't really the place for a discussion about changing media landscapes so I'll leave you guys to it! 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Bring back Les Kidger IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MacLean Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, PB1994 said: They don’t get free hospitality. They sit in a wee “press box” area and get some teas and pies but that is it. Not all press get teas and pies. Or even teamsheets come to think of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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