HK Hibee Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: What does anyone think of this press conference? Some worried by his comments, some others aren't. He talks a good game and tbf he has backed it up with money for buying players and longer term contracts. Not convinced the decisions are always sound though, particularly giving some players longer contracts. He seems to have a view or vision for Hibs. The key point is who does he have around him that understands football and Scottish football in particular. Not convinced Kensall or Kean are right folk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Oh! I got that he meant Hibs, but I wanted to see if his brain cells might kick in. Unfortunately he doesn't appear to have any. 4 hours ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Oh! I got that he meant Hibs, but I wanted to see if his brain cells might kick in. Unfortunately he doesn't appear to have any. And here's me thinking I was just disputing a point with your run of the mill idiots from Easter Road and a heilander from the wilds, Eye opening to discover it's English professors and geniuses from Mensa no less. Talk about giving your minds a treat priceless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leith Green Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: Won once in the league since New Year. How much time should he need, ffs????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Leith Green said: How much time should he need, ffs????? I reckon all clubs should base such a calculation on the length of time Manchester United's board took to realise Fergie was worth keeping after a pretty mediocre start at Old Trafford. I'm not saying that Maloney (or Ross) is the new messiah, just that clubs rarely wait long enough to allow managers to show their capabilities because instant success is demanded of them. How many potential Fergies have been binned without having a chance to instil their way of playing, often without the opportunity to bring in players to suit their system? Also, if the board keeps making error after error in their choice of manager, how come they don't pay the penalty for it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: One of the curiosities of the salary cap in MLS is that teams have to publish their players salaries https://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide Mueller was on just over $2.5k a week in his last job £1,824 is that even above average for a Hibs player? He's probably on a bit more now or he would have stayed put? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 47 minutes ago, Squonk said: I reckon all clubs should base such a calculation on the length of time Manchester United's board took to realise Fergie was worth keeping after a pretty mediocre start at Old Trafford Fergie was appointed in late 86 and in the period from 1/1/87 to mid April had won 8 league game. Maloney appointed late 2021 and in the period from 1/1/22 to mid April had won 1 league game. I would gladly have accepted half of Fergies "mediocre" start.......................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Fergie also came with multiple league titles, cups and had dispatched Real Madrid in a European final. Im not sure you should be giving every unknown Diddy 3/4 years time to get right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: Dear Shauny, you came in a couple of days after we played in a cup final for domestic honours and we finished 3rd and made the Scottish Cup final last season. We also played in Europe this year. You didn't have to move us forward, all you had to do was not be an utter disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Squonk said: I reckon all clubs should base such a calculation on the length of time Manchester United's board took to realise Fergie was worth keeping after a pretty mediocre start at Old Trafford. I'm not saying that Maloney (or Ross) is the new messiah, just that clubs rarely wait long enough to allow managers to show their capabilities because instant success is demanded of them. How many potential Fergies have been binned without having a chance to instil their way of playing, often without the opportunity to bring in players to suit their system? Also, if the board keeps making error after error in their choice of manager, how come they don't pay the penalty for it? Fergie always gets used as this example it gets my goat. He had transformed Aberdeen into the best club in scotland winning European trophies. Maloney put out cones for the failed Everton manager who can't even get the best group of international players near a trophy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 OK, so Fergie's maybe not the best example in view of his previous success, but he lost the first two games then only won one away game in the entire season. It is well documented that Man United's hierarchy was concerned about his early days at the club, but, fortunately for him and them, the board stuck with him and he was able to implement changes for the long term good of the club. Regardless, my point stands that managers are given insufficient time to implement their plans. More often than not, boards simply replace one manager who is perceived to have failed with another familiar face from the carousel of managerial failures. Innovative clubs who take a chance on managers such as Glass, Maloney and Cathro should be applauded for their bravery, but there's little point in such appointments if the clubs are not going to afford their manager sufficient time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Where Hibs have missed a trick is by not listening to the “lads” on Radio Shortbread. Imagine an American gazillionaire not listening to advice from Pat Bonnar, Billy Dodds, Derek Ferguson and all the other wastrels that frequent that godforsaken channel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Och it's all a bit exciting isn't it? I usually find my Hibs news by typing 'Hibs' into Google and scrawling through pages of nonsense about prospective signings dreamt up by minimum wage EEN journalists, or stories about Tam McManus' girlfriend's niece's pet canary. But now there's a bit of.... pizazz about the whole thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 OK, so Fergie's maybe not the best example in view of his previous success, but he lost the first two games then only won one away game in the entire season. It is well documented that Man United's hierarchy was concerned about his early days at the club, but, fortunately for him and them, the board stuck with him and he was able to implement changes for the long term good of the club. Regardless, my point stands that managers are given insufficient time to implement their plans. More often than not, boards simply replace one manager who is perceived to have failed with another familiar face from the carousel of managerial failures. Innovative clubs who take a chance on managers such as Glass, Maloney and Cathro should be applauded for their bravery, but there's little point in such appointments if the clubs are not going to afford their manager sufficient time.Mind you that’s the same Man United that previously employed Ron Atkinson for 5 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 9 hours ago, The Other Foot said: Och it's all a bit exciting isn't it? I usually find my Hibs news by typing 'Hibs' into Google and scrawling through pages of nonsense about prospective signings dreamt up by minimum wage EEN journalists, or stories about Tam McManus' girlfriend's niece's pet canary. But now there's a bit of.... pizazz about the whole thing. Excellent example of the correct use of possessive punctuation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozam76 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 21/04/2022 at 08:53, Leith Green said: The last rumour was that it was £9000 a week and was being financed out of Rons own pocket. Amazing how many people have "good sources" who make up complete drivel? Dont worry yourself about Ron G, he wont be anywhere near your club - he was only interested in buying a club where he could increase the revenues. I don’t have any dog in the fight here, but I also heard that it was 9k per week for “some” of Maloneys signings. I’ve no reason to disbelieve it based on who told me, however every reason to disbelieve it due to the fact it’s absolutely wild if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 £1,824 is that even above average for a Hibs player? He's probably on a bit more now or he would have stayed put?That figure doesn’t tell us what he’s on at Hibs but they do give us some context for the various suggestions. It seems reasonable to assume that he’d be require a better deal but the idea that hibs had to quadruple his wages seems implausible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: That figure doesn’t tell us what he’s on at Hibs but they do give us some context for the various suggestions. It seems reasonable to assume that he’d be require a better deal but the idea that hibs had to quadruple his wages seems implausible Yep, Hibs average player salaries based on accounts are fairly clear for everyone to see. Obviously there will be a range, but to suggest the £9k a week for Mueller is taking us toward the nonsense of "Hearts are paying Larea Kingston £25k per week" here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Amusing Pseudonym Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Squonk said: OK, so Fergie's maybe not the best example in view of his previous success, but he lost the first two games then only won one away game in the entire season. It is well documented that Man United's hierarchy was concerned about his early days at the club, but, fortunately for him and them, the board stuck with him and he was able to implement changes for the long term good of the club. Regardless, my point stands that managers are given insufficient time to implement their plans. More often than not, boards simply replace one manager who is perceived to have failed with another familiar face from the carousel of managerial failures. Innovative clubs who take a chance on managers such as Glass, Maloney and Cathro should be applauded for their bravery, but there's little point in such appointments if the clubs are not going to afford their manager sufficient time. The biggest problem with most of these appointments is they tend to be a lurch in strategy and at a time when you're setting the folk up to fail. Maloney came in to a team who were on a poor run but were fundamentally reasonably solid as a team you'd expect to be comfortably top 6. So he's at a base where 7th is a failure. Take out his three main attacking threats, try to change the style to something many of the players aren't comfortable with and don't really back him in the transfer window and you make it significantly harder for him. If he'd come in end of season, got a clean slate and a pre-season who knows, though you suspect his lack of personality would always be an issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 If you need a personality* to be a successful manager you might as well appoint Piers Morgan. *ok, in his case its the personality of amoebic dysytery but you get my point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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