Crawford Bridge Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 The Irish former Latics player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 As an outsider, and doubter of your new link-up, can anyone give me an idea of the quality of loan player that you guys are expecting to faff about on the pitch next season? Do you expect the better loan players to arrive in January, like this season? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Tappin Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 22 hours ago, Kyle Reese said: As an outsider, and doubter of your new link-up, can anyone give me an idea of the quality of loan player that you guys are expecting to faff about on the pitch next season? Do you expect the better loan players to arrive in January, like this season? Quick answer, we've no idea. The only in print things we've got to go on is Foley's promise of transfer funds and Montgonner-y saying that Marcondes and Maolida are the standard for future recruits. Can we attract such quality, Will Bill cough up, Will Monty still be in a job come June 1st...stay tuned to find out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 7 minutes ago, Tommy Tappin said: Quick answer, we've no idea. The only in print things we've got to go on is Foley's promise of transfer funds and Montgonner-y saying that Marcondes and Maolida are the standard for future recruits. Can we attract such quality, Will Bill cough up, Will Monty still be in a job come June 1st...stay tuned to find out. What do your instincts tell you? You always appear to be a more level headed sort than many on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 On 25/04/2024 at 23:06, RandomGuy. said: we were one the best teams in the country for around a decade When? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Just now, Sortmeout said: When? We qualified for Europe 4 years in a row, finished in the top 8 12 times in a row, had a 3rd placed finish and won 3 trophies since we got promoted. We've been shite recently but let's not downplay what we achieved previously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Tappin Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 4 hours ago, Kyle Reese said: What do your instincts tell you? You always appear to be a more level headed sort than many on here. Two possibilities to my mind. 1. We tit about like we always do and quote words such as 'potential' 'big club' 'infrastructure' etc while finishing 6th/7th 2. Bill actually turns us into a side. My money's on #1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Tappin Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: We qualified for Europe 4 years in a row, finished in the top 8 12 times in a row, had a 3rd placed finish and won 3 trophies since we got promoted. We've been shite recently but let's not downplay what we achieved previously. Can any team outside the OF match that in the same timeframe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 14 hours ago, Tommy Tappin said: Two possibilities to my mind. 1. We tit about like we always do and quote words such as 'potential' 'big club' 'infrastructure' etc while finishing 6th/7th 2. Bill actually turns us into a side. My money's on #1. My money is on 2 but with the caveat that it's not going to be flick a switch in August and off we go. And that will probably annoy a lot of the types who think running a football club is like playing Championship Manager on their X Box. It will take a couple of seasons. 14 hours ago, Tommy Tappin said: Can any team outside the OF match that in the same timeframe? The Sta Johnstone record in the last 15 years can't be touched by any club outwith the Ugly Sisters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 17 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: We qualified for Europe 4 years in a row, finished in the top 8 12 times in a row, had a 3rd placed finish and won 3 trophies since we got promoted. We've been shite recently but let's not downplay what we achieved previously. 16 hours ago, Tommy Tappin said: Can any team outside the OF match that in the same timeframe? 1 hour ago, AndyM said: The St Johnstone record in the last 15 years can't be touched by any club outwith the Ugly Sisters. No interest in a pissing competition here because clearly we can't match St Johnstone's 3 trophies won however in the last 16 seasons we've had: 3 cup finals (3x Celtic) 2x 2nd place finishes 3x 3rd place finishes 9 top 6 finishes and since @RandomGuy. mentioned top 8 we've finished 8th or above in 14 of those 16 seasons we competed in Europe 6 out 7 seasons between 08/09 and 14/15 and 2 out of 3 between 20/21 and 22/23 (clearly 'competed' is used very loosely in the most recent campaign) Like I say, it doesn't match St Johnstone's wins but as an overall record I'd say it runs them close given our respective opponents in the finals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Motherwell_F.C._seasons Edited May 1 by capt_oats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 4 hours ago, capt_oats said: Like I say, it doesn't match St Johnstone's wins but as an overall record I'd say it runs them close given our respective opponents in the finals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Motherwell_F.C._seasons Cup runs in general are a poor indicator of how a club is doing, as they tend to be based on decent draws. That's the same for all of our clubs, and St Johnstone's three cup wins only really include one Big Result; beating Rangers in the cup in 2021 on penalties. If you look through their cup wins, the draws were kind overall and they had three rounds of semis and finals where they never played the OF. It's hard to think of another club that has had opportunities like that. Nobody else I can think of has had a run of getting to semis and constantly avoiding the Old Firm. But, they still won, so fair's fair. St Johnstone's league form over that period is the far more impressive thing. And it's arguable that Motherwell's spell of 40 years in the top flight is pound for pound the most impressive performance in Scottish football. Especially as it also includes a cup win (beat Celtic in the semi) and some other finals, second places etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Cup runs in general are a poor indicator of how a club is doing, as they tend to be based on decent draws. That's the same for all of our clubs, and St Johnstone's three cup wins only really include one Big Result; beating Rangers in the cup in 2021 on penalties. If you look through their cup wins, the draws were kind overall and they had three rounds of semis and finals where they never played the OF. It's hard to think of another club that has had opportunities like that. Nobody else I can think of has had a run of getting to semis and constantly avoiding the Old Firm. But, they still won, so fair's fair. In 20/21 we beat the 3rd placed side in both competitions, at the Semi and Final stage, won at Ibrox, and Aberdeen/Celtic were the only teams of the top 6 we never beat, with us also beating the sides who finished 7th and 8th. There's plenty of teams who only draw the OF once in a cup completion, it's not notable enough to keep track of because they always fail to win both trophies. The idea we're "lucky" because that was our draw is stupid when the reality is other clubs get "lucky" that way all the time but don't capitalise. Edited May 1 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: In 20/21 we beat the 3rd placed side in both competitions, at the Semi and Final stage, won at Ibrox, and Aberdeen/Celtic were the only teams of the top 6 we never beat, with us also beating the sides who finished 7th and 8th. There's plenty of teams who only draw the OF once in a cup completion, it's not notable enough to keep track of because they always fail to win both trophies. The idea we're "lucky" because that was our draw is stupid when the reality is other clubs get "lucky" that way all the time but don't capitalise. Oh, plenty draw them once. But few (none I can think of) draw them once across three cup runs. Denying that that is a lucky run is bizarre. You got some breaks and ran with it, no need to be so defensive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Oh, plenty draw them once. But few (none I can think of) draw them once across three cup runs. Denying that that is a lucky run is bizarre. You got some breaks and ran with it, no need to be so defensive. Plus, when beating Hibs at Hampden becomes a major honour, we will be more decorated than Real Madrid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: Plus, when beating Hibs at Hampden becomes a major honour, we will be more decorated than Real Madrid. They're the only other c***s we ever play at Hampden apart from the OF. It's been them, the OF and one game against ICT in the last decade. We're due a wee diddy team in a semi. Wee-er and diddy-er than Hibs, that is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Terrapin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Would all you diddy c***s and your pissing contests get off the fucking Hibs thread you sad fucks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Joe Terrapin said: Would all you diddy c***s and your pissing contests get off the fucking Hibs thread you sad fucks What the f**k you going to do about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Aye, the HMFC thread never has any fans of other clubs slithering around it, likes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Devaluing st johnstones 3 trophies over luck of the draw comes across a wee bit sour I have to say. Having said that, they owe the 2014 cup to us pumping Celtic at parkhead for them so f**k them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 29/04/2024 at 12:48, Tommy Tappin said: You give a manager time and sometimes it works out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckke4e6r3d5o Perhaps the humbling experience of being sacked kept his ego in check for the next role? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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