passbackdave Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Why was my post deleted? Mon the papers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestman54 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, holmparkheroes said: Maybe people think that from a position of strength Talbot should be leading, but it looks like they will sway with the wind. See you in the WoSL ️ To me its Kilwinning who are leading the way with two statements over the last week or so in favour of the WOSFL. Talbot seem to be sitting back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morley Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Will we see a number more clubs come out with a position over the weekend as committees and fans meet up for games, or do we think most teams will keep quiet piblically for the next few weeks until more clarity on what the wosfl will look like and it becomes clearer if the Sjfa are bluffing or they do actually have a plan B (or x, y, z) they are exploring? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Wouldn't be surprised if Oban Saints fancied applying to this new West of Scotland League. A top amateur club, it would also provide the pyramid with its first team from Argyll and Bute.Hand them a licence and instate them in the Scottish and Challenge Cups from 2020/21. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, morley said: Will we see a number more clubs come out with a position over the weekend as committees and fans meet up for games, or do we think most teams will keep quiet piblically for the next few weeks until more clarity on what the wosfl will look like and it becomes clearer if the Sjfa are bluffing or they do actually have a plan B (or x, y, z) they are exploring? Don't expect to see many more statements. A few interested clubs have kept their council up till now, no reason for them to come out and say anything. Assuming that any WoS follows the same dates as the EoS, we have almost two months until any applications need to be in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Boswelldriver said: Not sure Jim, I think too many egos on here would love to see Talbot falter. Most probably Annoyed that Talbot are non committal It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall if/when licence applicants Cumnock are having pyramid discussions with local rivals Talbot. I can't see one joining without the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 34 minutes ago, passbackdave said: Why was my post deleted? Mon the papers Was there any slightly dubious about it? The reason I ask is I made a post a day or so ago and couldn't find it again on the board. The only way I could find it was someone had responded to it and I could get to it via the notifications. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deanburn Dave Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Disagree with your comment "others who were reluctant movers haven't fared so well". The teams who haven't fared so well were the original EoS teams who with one exception dropped down a tier after the 3 conference season. These "others" you refer to are doing ok in a well run league set up in the pyramid. Onwards and upwards. I think it’s noteworthy that in the east the two ex juniors to progress fastest are the ones who embraced. Others who were reluctant movers haven’t fared so well. i think the lesson from the east is once one, two big clubs make the move, the games up. This could be viewed as a one off chance for west clubs to go in at tier 6. If they don’t, it might be tier 7 at best when they do move. Although, it would make sense if the juniors reviewed their position and opted to move to wosfl as one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Born To Run said: Don't expect to see many more statements. A few interested clubs have kept their council up till now, no reason for them to come out and say anything. Assuming that any WoS follows the same dates as the EoS, we have almost two months until any applications need to be in. If you look at how the original 13 clubs to apply to the EoS in March 2018 most of them never said anything until after being officially accepted. For me this is why everyone in the West Region should be putting in a note interest to keep up with current affairs and actually know what's happening. Relying on the SJFA or even the West Region FA to keep you informed is pointless as they'll be outside the process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 The statement from the SoSFL isn't exactly helpful to the situation either, looks like TAJ has them in his pocket...................... SSFL statement regards Scottish Football Pyramid Fri 7 Feb, 2020 In principal, the South of Scotland Football League (SSFL) is supportive of efforts to expand “The Scottish Football Pyramid” and specifically Tier 6 of Scottish football. SSFL recognises that to ensure “The Pyramid” covers the whole country the West of Scotland should have a League at some level. SSFL believes that any League being introduced into “The Pyramid” should be at Tier 6, to supplement the existing Leagues at that level ie SSFL and East of Scotland Football League (EoSFL). As part of the Pyramid Working Group, SSFL is disappointed that consensus could not be reached to develop “The Pyramid”. SSFL opinion is that neither personal interest, whether of the individual or an individual’s club, nor historical or personal relationship issues, should be allowed to overshadow the greater good of developing the Scottish Football Pyramid. There are some proposals being discussed to establish a new League in the West of Scotland at Tier 6. SSFL opinion is that establishing a new League would create further divisions and ill feeling between existing Organisations and is unnecessary. Creating a new League might mean clubs leaving their existing Organisations and the possibility of being ineligible to compete in their historical Cup Competitions. With regards to the formation of a new League, there have been no discussions, to which SSFL has been party, with regards to subjects such as geographical boundaries for each League, nor how promotion to the Scottish Lowland League (SLFL) would be managed. To that end, SSFL believes there may be a readymade solution to the issue of coverage within the West of Scotland. One solution might be the SJFA West Region League structure being parachuted into “The Pyramid”. This means there would be no requirement to establish an alternative West of Scotland League. Whilst it would appear that some parties have issues with the SJFA and its personnel, the SSFL have no such issues with SJFA being the administration with responsibility for the West League. Currently the SSFL and EoSFL have several differences in their Competition rules, with both also being different to SLFL rules, so sees no reason why each League should not work to their own rules. The Scottish FA has previously indicated that they do not have the resource within their departments, especially the Disciplinary Department, to manage discipline for a large number of additional clubs. The SJFA has had its proposed disciplinary process, to bring them into line with the Judicial Panel Protocol, audited and approved by the Scottish FA. SSFL opinion is that as long as any play off rules and regulations are consistent for all parties, including regards for registrations and discipline, there should be consensus for progress. SSFL calls upon all interested parties to work together within a “how we can do” mentality rather than seeking every reason for a why we can’t do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Why do the SSFL feel the need to comment in any way on another association? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: The statement from the SoSFL isn't exactly helpful to the situation either, looks like TAJ has them in his pocket...................... SSFL statement regards Scottish Football Pyramid Fri 7 Feb, 2020 In principal, the South of Scotland Football League (SSFL) is supportive of efforts to expand “The Scottish Football Pyramid” and specifically Tier 6 of Scottish football. SSFL recognises that to ensure “The Pyramid” covers the whole country the West of Scotland should have a League at some level. SSFL believes that any League being introduced into “The Pyramid” should be at Tier 6, to supplement the existing Leagues at that level ie SSFL and East of Scotland Football League (EoSFL). As part of the Pyramid Working Group, SSFL is disappointed that consensus could not be reached to develop “The Pyramid”. SSFL opinion is that neither personal interest, whether of the individual or an individual’s club, nor historical or personal relationship issues, should be allowed to overshadow the greater good of developing the Scottish Football Pyramid. There are some proposals being discussed to establish a new League in the West of Scotland at Tier 6. SSFL opinion is that establishing a new League would create further divisions and ill feeling between existing Organisations and is unnecessary. Creating a new League might mean clubs leaving their existing Organisations and the possibility of being ineligible to compete in their historical Cup Competitions. With regards to the formation of a new League, there have been no discussions, to which SSFL has been party, with regards to subjects such as geographical boundaries for each League, nor how promotion to the Scottish Lowland League (SLFL) would be managed. To that end, SSFL believes there may be a readymade solution to the issue of coverage within the West of Scotland. One solution might be the SJFA West Region League structure being parachuted into “The Pyramid”. This means there would be no requirement to establish an alternative West of Scotland League. Whilst it would appear that some parties have issues with the SJFA and its personnel, the SSFL have no such issues with SJFA being the administration with responsibility for the West League. Currently the SSFL and EoSFL have several differences in their Competition rules, with both also being different to SLFL rules, so sees no reason why each League should not work to their own rules. The Scottish FA has previously indicated that they do not have the resource within their departments, especially the Disciplinary Department, to manage discipline for a large number of additional clubs. The SJFA has had its proposed disciplinary process, to bring them into line with the Judicial Panel Protocol, audited and approved by the Scottish FA. SSFL opinion is that as long as any play off rules and regulations are consistent for all parties, including regards for registrations and discipline, there should be consensus for progress. SSFL calls upon all interested parties to work together within a “how we can do” mentality rather than seeking every reason for a why we can’t do. They go on about further division with that statement they are creating even more. West region at t6 was the obvious answer but tj wanted all in which wasnt going to work. If west dropped in it would be fine. Creating a west of Scotland league is only option and that way people who want to stay junior can. By this statement they are creating more division between sosfl and eosfl/lowland league so what have they done. They probably fear losing bonnyton and braves reserves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Why do the SSFL feel the need to comment in any way on another association? Because it effects them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: The statement from the SoSFL isn't exactly helpful to the situation either, looks like TAJ has them in his pocket...................... To that end, SSFL believes there may be a readymade solution to the issue of coverage within the West of Scotland. One solution might be the SJFA West Region League structure being parachuted into “The Pyramid”. This means there would be no requirement to establish an alternative West of Scotland League. Unfortunately the Management Committee recommended to their clubs they vote for an option that meant another League had to change its format. Something they did not agree to. The West Region are going to have to start talking to their clubs VERY quickly if they want to avoid a repeat of the East. Revisit Option W at the very minimum. Otherwise the West Juniors will end up at Tier 7.....if they even become part of the Pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Burnie_man said: St.Anthonys, some clubs are not awake to the situation..................SJFA furiously lobbying behind the scenes no doubt. Club Statement – Pyramid February 7, 2020 Whilst we appreciate clubs becoming increasingly vocal with regard to leaving the West Region of the SJFA, We feel clubs should give the Association every chance to try and gain entry to the pyramid through the Juniors and while discussions are still ongoing with the SFA we as a club will back the West Region to the hilt. Stay strong & support the Juniors George Wall @wallgeo 10h Replying to @SaintAnthonysFC Is there planned to be a announcement from the West Region or the SJFA ? Saint Anthony's FC @SaintAnthonysFC 10h We wouldnt know George. Be pure speculation on our part. Kilwinning Rangers @steadythebuffs 2h Replying to @SaintAnthonysFC Are discussions with the SFA ongoing? There you go! Pure speculation on the behalf of Ants! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: The statement from the SoSFL isn't exactly helpful to the situation either, looks like TAJ has them in his pocket...................... SSFL statement regards Scottish Football Pyramid Fri 7 Feb, 2020 Maybe not that surprising. The SoS is at a "false" level just now. Any changes are likely to diminish that level and any influence the office bearers might have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: Because it effects them. Birthday card pish like access to historic cups doesn't affect them and is none of their business. If there concern is eventually that a WoSL will push them down the tiers or create overlapping leagues then that's understandable but stick to the pertinent stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: Maybe not that surprising. The SoS is at a "false" level just now. Any changes are likely to diminish that level and any influence the office bearers might have. They will still be Tier 6 - above the Juniors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, AlanCamelonfan said: They go on about further division with that statement they are creating even more. West region at t6 was the obvious answer but tj wanted all in which wasnt going to work. If west dropped in it would be fine. Creating a west of Scotland league is only option and that way people who want to stay junior can. By this statement they are creating more division between sosfl and eosfl/lowland league so what have they done. They probably fear losing bonnyton and braves reserves What they are suggesting is further delays because they seem to want everyone back round the table, and to agree that the WRJFA can just drop into the Pyramid, talking away the choice of staying Junior if clubs want to. That can't happen as things stand. Given TAJ repeated at PWG that it's "all-in or none in" mandate that he has, then the SJFA would need to hold an EGM to amend that mandate to allow Regions to be dealt with seperately. The WRJFA would then need to hold a meeting to overturn their decision on "option Z", and to back the "option W" proposal. Then the LL and EoS would have to hold meetings with members to agree or disagree with this (unlikely) We'd be talking about this for another year. Just get on with a WoSFL. Open to all and no baggage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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