FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ginaro said: For the benefit of @Beenzon-Toste / Gordon Ronney, here's the rule preventing the WRJFA joining the pyramid without the agreement of the LL/EOS. http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Lower-Pyramid-play-off-rules-version-1.1.pdf To quote him on this issue NO IT IS NOT, complete fallacy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Since we're dealing in facts They've learned nothing from the failure of the PWG meetings! oh and even though the SJFA have meant to have stepped away from proceedings. The WJFA is all about saving the SJFA. This isn't a mock up, is this real ? Why don't they understand and get it through their nut, there is no salvation of any junior association or team if you move to the pyramid / seniors. you are no longer junior. None of these people should be involved in the new league. its like opening a can of worms in like Hellraiser, the decaying worms keeps squishing out of the tin again and again. I'm genuinely thinking what is going on in these peoples heads, they are just not thinking rationally G4mac said "fear that junior clubs may well be adversely impacted on by the whole mess being created. " so true what was said But if they do, they really are weak mined committees and I'm sure if the teams that follow the junior association will actually deserve to be where they are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Just now, Bestsinceslicebread said: This isn't a mock up, is this real ? Oh, it's entirely real. This is what happens you go looking for JuniorFitbaSC's madness and find someone that actually manages to top it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) The Pyramid = Netlfix The SJFA = Blockbuster If they'd had any sense, they'd have come in early and still be relevant and thriving. As it is, events have passed them by and what we're hearing now is a death rattle. Edited March 1, 2020 by Gordon EF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 For the benefit of [mention=64045]Beenzon-Toste[/mention] / Gordon Ronney, here's the rule preventing the WRJFA joining the pyramid without the agreement of the LL/EOS. http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Lower-Pyramid-play-off-rules-version-1.1.pdf Apparently he thinks the SFA can order this rather than through agreement. If that was the case, the WRJFA and ERJFA would be in the Pyramid right now.Fact is, they can't. There is also the small problem that the SFA would need to drop the LL plan and back the WRJFA. That isn't going to happen.Where's Bamford in all of this? Surely he's in an untenable position? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Apparently he thinks the SFA can order this rather than through agreement. If that was the case, the WRJFA and ERJFA would be in the Pyramid right now. Fact is, they can't. There is also the small problem that the SFA would need to drop the LL plan and back the WRJFA. That isn't going to happen. He doesn't believe the LL and EoS have a veto on this. He's been told it was something else prevented the West and East Juniors coming in last year. I would really like to see the Gospel of TJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Why would the "gospel answer" be something secret rather than something that could easily be explained in that tweet? Answer: because there is no "gospel answer" and this is just empty bluster. He almost certainly isn't deluded and is just flat out misleading people at this point to desperately try to keep his blazer. Edited March 1, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossy87 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 When do we expect this meeting to go ahead then with the SSL? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 So, in summary: - The West Region Juniors have every right to explore this option. The problem is that they've started the process too late in the day, having had the impetus taken away already. - The WoSFL application process will be laid out by Friday. Expect an accompanying statement from the Lowland & EoS. - I wouldn't be surprised to see the SFA release a statement/comment now, clarifying the current state of play. - The only was for a West Junior side to guarantee joining the pyramid remains to apply to the WoSFL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 The LL are supposed to let us know what happens next by March 6th. The arguments being pushed by Gordon Ronney haven't moved on since this time last year: He is still trying to push the idea that the letter from Ian Maxwell that Tom Johnston leaked meant it was a done deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 the S F A are the people who run Scottish football and IF they decide to go with the west region plan what can the LL do about it -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 minute ago, marconi said: the S F A are the people who run Scottish football and IF they decide to go with the west region plan what can the LL do about it What happenned last year? that should be your clue as to the answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The LL are supposed to let us know what happens next by March 6th. The arguments being pushed by Gordon Ronney haven't moved on since this time last year: He is still trying to push the idea that the letter from Ian Maxwell that Tom Johnston leaked meant it was a done deal. Is this guy thick or just plain stupid. Is this guy actually in charge at kilbirnie? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, marconi said: the S F A are the people who run Scottish football and IF they decide to go with the west region plan what can the LL do about it "Done deal" wasn't so "done" other than the "all in" was done for. The Promotion Play Off to LL has to be signed off by ALL entering leagues, LL and SFA. It cannot be imposed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 minute ago, marconi said: the S F A are the people who run Scottish football and IF they decide to go with the west region plan what can the LL do about it The SFA do not run the leagues. Through the PWG all they did was facilitate all the groups meeting and try to work together. The SFA cannot force a change in the Lowland League pyramid system that does not have approval of the leagues already involved. Here's TJ saying that the SJFA had agreed with the SFA the principle of them entering the pyramid at no lower than Tier 6 in April 2018. Which was followed up by a May 2018 PWG meeting where a straw poll was needed to even continue with that idea and beging working on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: Where's Bamford in all of this? Surely he's in an untenable position? Bamford is SJFA Vice-President - if the WRJFA have either gone rogue or the SJFA have said "go your own way", I'm not sure if Bamford has done anything wrong? Though of course he'll need to resign at some point when Clydebank go senior. Edit: f**k me he's lost the plot, now posting SFA AoA and Scottish Cup rules as if that gets the WRJFA access to the Lowland League! Edited March 1, 2020 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Bamford is SJFA Vice-President - if the WRJFA have either gone rogue or the SJFA have said "go your own way", I'm not sure if Bamford has done anything wrong? Though of course he'll need to resign at some point when Clydebank go senior. The current management committee of the West Region according the website. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Bamford is SJFA Vice-President - if the WRJFA have either gone rogue or the SJFA have said "go your own way", I'm not sure if Bamford has done anything wrong? Though of course he'll need to resign at some point when Clydebank go senior. Edit: f**k me he's lost the plot, now posting SFA AoA and Scottish Cup rules as if that gets the WRJFA access to the Lowland League! If I was a kilbirnie fan I'd be asking him are for the club or your own job and the grade and should resign 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, marconi said: the S F A are the people who run Scottish football and IF they decide to go with the west region plan what can the LL do about it The answer to your question has literally already been explained on this page. The SFA couldn't force this through because the EoS, LL and SoS also have to agree to any change that is made to the LL's playoff format. Some powers are delegated to the SFA board by its member clubs to run the game. The areas that covers are defined by the SFA constitution and changes to the pyramid format are not one of them. Edited March 1, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rambler Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Pyramidic said: Are the WRJFA leaving the Juniors? https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/ayrshire-junior-side-express-delight-21610082 Misinformation of the highest order? Poor article. Shareholders of Irvine Meadow will determine the Club's future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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